Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ajman University

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The result was speedy keep. Nominated by a sock. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 04:11, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ajman University

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The article does not have anything of value to be listed on WP. Even under WP:UNIV it does not stand. There are no references other than to its own website. Earlier it was put up for speedy by me because the entire article was copy vio. Unless the article can be substantially improved and referenced per WP guidelines (including the 'Notable Alumni') it should be deleted. AquariusWineOwl (talk) 23:24, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Education-related deletion discussions. AquariusWineOwl (talk) 23:24, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 23:33, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United Arab Emirates-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 23:33, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Appears significant with thousands of students ([1]), and covered by sources ([2][3][4]). Pikavoom (talk) 06:14, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Pikavoom: - Do you have any other sources besides Google Books? AquariusWineOwl (talk) 13:49, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Why on Earth would we require sources other than reliable books? They are far better sources that the web sites and news articles that are often cited in support of notability. Phil Bridger (talk) 20:21, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

AquariusWineOwl, please outline what steps you took for BEFORE. Notability at AfD is NOT determined by what sources are in the article, but by what sources exist. If you didn't understand that, please withdraw this nomination. John from Idegon (talk) 17:47, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Phil Bridger: I was just asking if you had anything other than the books. I never said they were not of value, so I apologize if you interpreted it that way. @John from Idegon: The entire article was put up for a speedy as it was a complete copy and paste, an editor removed the speedy and reverted the article to way back when. When I look at WP:UNIV it does not meet any criteria nor does it have any sources other than the school website itself. The person who removed the speedy stated they removed it based on "all colleges and universities are de facto notable and should be included on Wikipedia" however, the rest of that states "Hence the advice is not intended to lend additional support to deletion discussions". The article has exactly one line in it "The Ajman University of Science and Technology (AUST) is a technology-oriented university in Ajman, United Arab Emirates.[1] The university was founded in 1988 as a university college. Notable alumni include Yaser Birjas." and nothing else. It had a references needed notice up there dated back a couple of years, however, I can not pull it up because the history for that part appears to be deleted (from 30 AUG 2020 to 4 SEPT 2020 is not clickable). I will not withdraw the nomination, I am sorry. This is not an article in the least. AquariusWineOwl (talk) 23:58, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

- So please outline what you did for BEFORE (2nd request). John from Idegon (talk) 03:05, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@John from Idegon: Please be more specific about what you mean with "BEFORE". You have not linked to anything and "BEFORE" is a pretty ambiguous term. AquariusWineOwl (talk) 03:10, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

- - Not if you'd actually read the instructions. John from Idegon (talk) 03:11, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@John from Idegon: Instead of being rude and vague, you could have simply stated WP:BEFORE, much easier that way. I have already stated my steps above. Now I will add that the first google book linked states what the capacity is, not how many are enrolled so that throws out "Appears significant with thousands of students ([5])" This source ([6]) is specifically for that area and is 12 years old and only describes the University. This source ([7]) is an Atlas that is 7 years (or more) old. It is a brief mention of the University being in the state. Then this source ([8]) again is only a passing mention of the University being in the area listed with other Universities. I did search for sources and there are not a lot of them of them out there. Just a basic google search only brings up it exists. AquariusWineOwl (talk) 03:29, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@John from Idegon: You have no right to close this as I was typing up my response to answer your question. It is now answered. AquariusWineOwl (talk) 03:30, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I also need to add that I cannot get to the reference that is listed on the page. Is this site http://education.theemiratesnetwork.com/university/United_Arab_Emirates/Ajman/Ajman_University_of_Science_Technology_1007.html restricted to in country only? AquariusWineOwl (talk) 03:33, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

- - Nothing you've stated speaks to before. If you found any reliable secondary sources, your opinion of what they show are not relative. There is nothing in the SNG about an editors opinion of importance. A Google news search shows multiple reliable sources. What did your Google news search turn up? What did your Google books search turn up? Be specific and tell us exactly why you are discounting those sources. And not having done an adequate BEFORE is an excellent reason to close an AfD. I'd suggest that your completely inadequate answers here are plenty of indication of the faultiness of your nomination. Especially since you couldn't even identify a required part of an AfD nomination. You haven't even got a post on your talk page for Pete's sake. How can an editor as new as you be conversant enough with notability to nominate anything for deletion? Almost every edit you've made has been on this subject. Do you work for a competitor? This nomination stinks to high heaven. John from Idegon (talk) 03:44, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  - And since you reverted my sound good faith close of this hummer, I'll ask an administrator to close this. That shouldn't be necessary as you should have accepted my close per WP:AGF. You could have used this as an opportunity to learn your weaknesses as an editor. I'll be happy to put you on the administrators radar. Remember that was your choice. AGF is a many faceted policy. John from Idegon (talk) 03:52, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I can see you are part of the reason why new editors do not want to be on here. You are a complete and utterly rude person. No I do not work for any college or any education institution. So what stinks is probably your own breath. I will close this because I am not wasting time with you. Why don't you use your "Has more experience on US school articles than probably any other WP editor" and make the article worth more than a sentence. PS - You can now close this and hopefully you learn some freaking manners! I mean you can't even follow talk page rules with indentation and such. AquariusWineOwl (talk) 03:57, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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