Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aly Ryan

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. There is general agreement that her career places her near the line between notability and non-notability, but the rough consensus is that she does not yet cross it. Xymmax ^{So let it be written} _{So let it be done} 18:52, 9 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Aly Ryan

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Came 4th in the German national final for Eurovision Song Contest 2019 !!!! fails WP:ENT fails WP:GNG Theroadislong (talk) 22:35, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep (Article author) - Per WP:GNG. Per WP:NMUSIC. Notable singer. Has en extensive music career beyond her ESC participation.--BabbaQ (talk) 22:37, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 22:47, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 22:47, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 22:47, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete While Ryan does have a career, she does not have a notable one. The article is stuffed with fake sources to make it look like it pass GNG, but it doesn't. Lordtobi (✉) 22:56, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I have removed those since your !vote. So a !vote on this new version is needed. And added a notable one from Billboard. BabbaQ (talk) 22:59, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Per nom. I respectfully disagree with the article creator on passing NMUSIC especially for a BLP. The "Billboard" link is just pretty advertising. She will likely one day be notable but Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. Otr500 (talk) 06:00, 24 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep, Ryan has a career which is somewhat or just barely acceptable of inclusion. Davidgoodheart (talk) 09:36, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Wait: Maybe her participation single gets an entry in the German Single Charts next Friday. --Goroth (talk) 10:15, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom: the participation to a Eurovision selection alone, which is the only thing this artist seems to have in her bag, isn't enough. Of course, if her song does make it to the German singles chart, the article will have to be kept. ×°˜`°×ηαη¢у×°˜`°×
Keep: The consensus here is 'she isn't famous because her only claim to fame is Eurovision selection entries', but Ryan is more notable than is being made out to be. One of her songs long before her Eurovision attempt (No Parachute) had 13.7 million streams on SoundCloud, which is a fair number. Serhatserhatserhat (talk) 14:44, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Serhatserhatserhat Your argument is essentially WP:GHITS. We need independent sources that demonstrate she is notable, not your own judgement based on how much her music has been streamed. SmartSE (talk) 15:49, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

User:Smartse: In that case, I suggest wait until at least tomorrow. Her song may place on the German Singles Chart as Goroth highlighted earlier. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Serhatserhatserhat (talk • contribs) 20:58, 28 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Serhatserhatserhat: it didn't. Richard3120 (talk) 17:48, 6 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Serhatserhatserhat. On the the basis that her song has not charted, and that "hits" are not accepted as a statistic of notability, is there any other tangible fact hat would support her under WP:GNG and/or WP:MUSIC? As things stand, we have nothing now. Britishfinance (talk) 15:29, 9 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Her references are no significant independent sources but low-grade blogs/sites; fails GNG. Her songs, "hits" aside, do not yet meet NMUSIC. Maybe in the future (her career is still on a trajectory), but not today; not even borderline. Britishfinance (talk) 21:20, 28 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
WAITing until chart comes out makes sense. I did see an article about a performance as a young teenager=. My German was not up to figuring it out sufficiently to add it to the page. E.M.Gregory (talk) 11:01, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

OK, this article has not been re-listed yet, so I would support re-listing for another week (will that be enough?) to check this point. Britishfinance (talk) 11:57, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 07:05, 2 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Wear Your Love failed to chart in the German top 100. ×°˜`°×ηαη¢у×°˜`°× 20:04, 2 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Thanks Merynancy. Hard to make any case now for her. Britishfinance (talk) 15:23, 9 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: fails WP:GNG and WP:MUSICBIO. Ms. Ryan may yet have a notable career, but at the moment it's WP:TOOSOON. Of the sources in the article, one is a Eurovision blog, and the Dreampions website appears to be something like a crowdfunded website allowing people to tell their "inspirational stories", without any editorial control. That leaves the sources from Billboard and Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung – the latter is behind a paywall, but from what I can glean from the introduction, it's a summary of all six contestants for the German Eurovision entry, so unlikely to be an in-depth profile. Even including these two sources, the sum knowledge of what we have about Ms. Ryan is (1) she is the daughter of well-connected parents (her father is chief spokesman for Deutsche Bank, and her mother is a TV reporter for ZDF, so Ms. Ryan's notability could be WP:INHERITED), and (2) she lives in Los Angeles. We don't know anything else about her from reliable sources to even be able to construct a worthwhile stub. Richard3120 (talk) 18:53, 6 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.