Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Diamondbacks–Rockies rivalry

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete‎. There is a consensus to delete despite 2 keep !votes. One !vote to keep was based on underrepresentation of the Rockies but, as Frank Anchor noted, that is not a policy-based rationale. The other keep !vote posited 2 articles purporting to support the subject, but as Frank Anchor noted, one is a blog so would not count toward GNG under our guidelines, and even if the other fully conforms with GNG, GNG requires multiple independent reliable sources. So there are no keep !votes supported by Wikipedia guidelines. Rlendog (talk) 21:25, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Diamondbacks–Rockies rivalry

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Article describes a non-existent rivalry between two teams that just happen to compete in the same division. This topic does not pass GNG based on the below source analysis table. Article reads as WP:FANCRUFT and the only sources available on a WP:BEFORE search are routine mentions or fan blogs. Frank Anchor 16:13, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

Frank might I ask the process to nominate articles for deletion? I know of several who are candidates PontiacAurora (talk) 21:22, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

Please refer to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion#Nominating article(s) for deletion. Frank Anchor 21:37, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

Source analysis by User:Frank Anchor

Source assessment by User:Frank Anchor Source Comments ARI vs. COL WP:ROUTINE list of head-to-head records N Who Should Colorado Sports Fans Call a Rival? Refers to the D-Backs/Rockies series as a "disagreement" and says series "could become" a rivalry but does not have the history of other rivalries for Denver-based team. This article was posted in 2008 and there is no "follow-up" suggesting a rivalry between the two teams. N "Rocktober" When the Rockies accomplished the impossible in 2007 WP:LOCAL coverage (though not directly affiliated with either team). Article summarizes the Rockies' 2007 playoff run that included a series against the D-Backs. It does not describe the two teams as being "rivals." N Knudson: Rockies-Diamondbacks have quiet rivalry going Describes teams as "quiet rivals" or there possibly being a rivalry. Not enough for SIGCOV establishing the two teams as rivals. N NL West’s best, worst teams meet as D-backs seek sweep of Rockies Routine game summary. Only uses the term "rival" once as a routine mention that the teams are from the same division. N Rockies host Arizona Diamondbacks, look to break home losing streak Routine game summary. Does not describe teams as "rivals" N Arizona Diamondbacks vs. Colorado Rockies Betting News Individual game betting lines N Arizona Diamondbacks vs. Colorado Rockies Article describes the teams as "rivals" several times, but fails to describe any animosity between the two teams while only making routine statements about head-to-head performance. ? Rockies Diamondbacks rivalry on deck Local coverage (though unaffiliated with either team), describes the potential of a rivalry (and this article is from 2007, which gives plenty of time for a rivalry to have developed but it never did). N 2007 NLCS just start of D-Backs Rockies rivalry Local coverage (though unaffiliated with either team), describes the potential of a rivalry (and this article is from 2007, which gives plenty of time for a rivalry to have developed but it never did). N Rockies Confident Jon Gray vs Diamondbacks Local coverage (though unaffiliated with either team), routine pregame coverage that does not describe teams as "rivals" N Rockies against D-Backs Zack Greinke Local coverage (though unaffiliated with either team), routine pregame coverage that does not describe teams as "rivals" N Twitter Non-independent (from the D-Backs twitter page) and only references Phoenix and Denver's basketball teams facing off in a playoff series N 2007 NLCS Game 1 Routine box score N 2007 NLCS Game 2 Routine box score N 2007 NLCS Game 3 Routine box score N NLCS Game 4 Routine box score N

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Baseball-related deletion discussions. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:20, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Arizona-related deletion discussions. Frank Anchor 16:27, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Colorado-related deletion discussions. Frank Anchor 16:27, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Sources demonstrate that the Rockies and Diamondbacks play against each other, not that their matchups comprise a "rivalry". – Muboshgu (talk) 17:03, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
• Delete One of the only sources mentioning the rivalry is a tweet, not exactly the most reliable, same with the others (either unreliable or mention it in passing). Not enough to justify a full article. ULPS (talk) 18:02, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
• Delete. Pretty much the exact same case as the recently deleted AstrosBraves rivalry article. I see nothing here indicating a rivalry outside of the teams playing each other, which does not a rivalry make. Nohomersryan (talk) 19:04, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
• Keep. I feel like the Rockies are far too under-represented across wikipedia, or in the baseball archives as a whole, there's enough to warrant a substantial existence of a lower-key divisional rivalry, particularly during the 2000s and the 2017 NLWC. PontiacAurora (talk) 21:25, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

A user’s claims of a team being underrepresented are not grounds for keeping an article that fails GNG. Also, any claims of a “lower-key divisional rivalry” are not supported by references. Lots of pairs of teams go through stretches in which both are simultaneously playoff contenders for a few years and possibly meet ina playoff series. That however does not establish a rivalry. Frank Anchor 21:42, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

• Delete per convincing nomination and SA table. WP:NOTEVERYTHING. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)  08:32, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
• Keep There's enough evidence to suggest that the Arizona Diamondbacks & Colorado Rockies should be considered as divisional rivals. I have multiple non primary sources to suggest this is a rivalry, per SBNation. & DenverPost.com. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 06:27, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

The SB nation source is a fan blog which explains that the two teams have been simultaneously competitive for a brief stretch in the late 2010s. It includes language of "starting to grow a rivalry" and that maybe this series "could be up there with that of the Dodgers and Giants or the Red Sox and Yankees" (two well-known MLB rivalries). But it does not establish a rivalry is present (and there wasno follow-up from that continuing coverage of a rivalry) N. The Denver Post source is routine coverage of a single game which happens the term "rivalry" in the title and describes the teams as "geographic rivals" in the prose, but does nothing to describe the teams as "rivals" in a way that could not be used for any set of two teams N. Certainly not enough here to establish the existence of a rivalry by GNG-standards. Frank Anchor 12:13, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

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