Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/E. J. Jones (rugby union)

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The result was delete. As per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/A. Lawrey. Whether a redirect is appropriate (with this title) is a matter for editors to decide. Sandstein 07:45, 16 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

E. J. Jones (rugby union)

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Fails WP:GNG through lack of significant coverage, though due to a silver medal in the 1908 Olympics as one of the two team competing in the event as prod is not appropriate.

It is unlikely that significant coverage will be found, due the limited information we have about who he was, and Olympedia ending a single paragraph of coverage with the statement "Nothing more is known about Jones’s life."

A redirect is not suitable, due to the disambiguated title and due to this article being confused with other rugby players with similar names, such as Eddie Jones BilledMammal (talk) 04:34, 9 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. BilledMammal (talk) 04:34, 9 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions. BilledMammal (talk) 04:34, 9 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. BilledMammal (talk) 04:34, 9 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Rugby union-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 04:50, 9 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete fails sigcov. The "Olympic medalist" criteria was written on the assumption that there would be more than 3 teams in any competition, not with the early competitions where sometimes there were 3 or less in mind. It was also written with individual not team, especially large scale team, competitors in mind. It was also clearly not written with any attempt to show that even mealists would in greater than 90% of cases meet GNG, so it was really not written well at all. Sports SSNGs explicitly say GNG must be met, so we should delete this article that lacks sigcov.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:40, 9 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Won a silver medal at the 1908 Olympics, so passes the updated WP:NOLY guidelines. At worst should be redirected to Rugby union at the 1908 Summer Olympics. Not seeing a valid reason why this one shouldn't be redirected per WP:ATD due to the disambiguation. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:49, 9 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Due to the previous confusion between them and Eddie Jones, as well as the existence of multiple notable people with those initials, such as two with the name Evan John Jones. BilledMammal (talk) 18:55, 9 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Let us not abuse words. One does not "win" a silver medal when they come in 2nd in a competition with 2 teams. Also, we need to stop team wins like individual wins. A logical view of Olympic notability is that in theory we should have articles on every team that won a medal. Just because you were on a team that won a medal does not mean you as an individual pass notability guidelines. However even this needs to be paired with passing GNG, which pre-1920 is not a guarantee.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:46, 10 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Agree with deletion due to failure to meet notability requirements and general lack of information about them. I am undecided about putting a redirect in place. Whilst I would normally suggest a redirect when I saw the title I was wondering why anyone would Afd a page for Eddie Jones (rugby union) which makes me consider the confusion that a redirect could have.Gusfriend (talk) 07:06, 10 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Meets WP:NSPORTS, which states "The article should provide reliable sources showing that the subject meets the general notability guideline or the sport specific criteria set forth below." The criteria at WP:NOLYMPICS, as currently written, are part of that and Jones is a medalist. If the criteria changes, then the issue can be revisited. Attempts to get around this resemble WP:WIKILAWYERING rather than following the intent of the policy. Additionally, I have added at least some basic biographical data, although a proper page move can wait to see if this kept. Canadian Paul 07:05, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep WP:N also suggests that meeting either GNG or an SNG is enough for presumed notability. NemesisAT (talk) 22:03, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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