Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Evelio Otero Sr.

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The result was no consensus on notability. (non-admin closure) ~ Aseleste (t, e | c, l) 11:17, 14 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Evelio Otero Sr.

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The bio is based entirely on his wife's dissertation, and BEFORE shows up nothing to verify the sole claim to notability: first television anchorman in Puerto Rico and one of the first in Latin America, nevermind significant, in depth coverage to meet Notability guidelines. I was going to redirect this to his son, but it's unclear that the article is going to survive AfD. Rather than an accidental stealth deletion, bringing it here for discussion. StarM 18:55, 10 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of News media-related deletion discussions. StarM 18:55, 10 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Puerto Rico-related deletion discussions. StarM 18:55, 10 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Maryland-related deletion discussions. StarM 18:55, 10 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. TJMSmith (talk) 20:06, 10 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete lacks SIGCOV in multiple RS necessary to meet WP:GNG. This non-neutral bio sourced only to a single reference by the subject's wife makes numerous unverified claims. Mztourist (talk) 06:59, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete lack of third party RS Bumbubookworm (talk) 13:43, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - He is notable. He was regarded as one of the historical pillars of television journalism in Puerto Rico - El Adoquín Times, El Neuvo Dia, article published by Institute of Puerto Rican culture, this book talks about him, and I think other offline sources are likely to exist. --Ashleyyoursmile! 19:11, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Whoa, not sure how my search missed the first couple (last link doesn't work for me for some reason, and I think this one is his son). Thank you. Not withdrawing yet as there are other delete !votes, but will add these to the article for future !voters should it be kept. StarM 19:28, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  - Hi Star Mississippi, yes his son is the subject of the source that you pointed out, but I think it states that his father was one of the historical figures of Puerto Rican television. --Ashleyyoursmile! 19:37, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    - Thanks Ashleyyoursmile. Only the first paragraph is loading for me about following in his fathers' footsteps. I added what I could from the sources you found. Some basic biographical details disagree and I'm inclined to defer to Adoquin Times as it's sourced, but with much of it off by just one year I wonder if there was some discrepancy (likely in Cuban records) StarM 19:44, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I have also found these, however they're not in open access - 1, page 390, 2, 3 and 4. Not sure if this coverage is significant, but it shows he was mentioned in many sources. Less Unless (talk) 13:23, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Less Unless, I can access this one and infortunately it's just mentions of his work on the channels. Nothing yet to back up the pioneer, sadly. Will see what I can use to add to the article though as it's still vastly unsourced. StarM 14:19, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Trending towards keep, but if editors who !voted delete before the identification of new articles would like to revisit, that would help pin down that conclusion. @Bumbubookworm: @Mztourist:
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Go Phightins! 15:31, 20 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment no change to my Delete, the sourcing is still inadequate. Mztourist (talk) 03:03, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nom Comment there isn't enough that I've found to withdraw my nom. We can verify that he did work in television, but the notability is still thin. StarM 12:49, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Maintain delete per above Bumbubookworm (talk) 20:12, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: With the previous !votes confirmed there is currently no consensus about the notability of this person.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Barkeep49 (talk) 02:42, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Bold third relist to assess notability.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel (talk) 01:18, 7 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment He would seem notable, but the article is lacking much for citations. You'd have to dig to find them and a G search doesn't turn up any. There is the one citation in the article for the Puerto Rican Cultural Journal, seems notable but I can't read most of it. Oaktree b (talk) 14:47, 7 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Source states he was the first to introduce teleprompting at Spanish TV news station in order for the newscaster to look at his audience, rather than look down at his paper. So he was a pioneer and a first. I found another source and added it to the article. I believe he meets notability for being the first newscaster seen on Puerto Rico television when news moved from radio to TV. That is sourced. --The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 18:45, 7 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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