Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fancy Gadam (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. There appears to be a general consensus that at least criterion 7 of WP:MUSICBIO is satisfied, with arguments also being made for several others. If sourcing is poor certain content may not be correct to include per WP:V, but there is a consensus that the relevant notability guideline is satisfied to justify an article's existence. ~ mazca ^talk 13:34, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Fancy Gadam

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The subject of this article does not meet any criterion of WP:GNG and WP:MUSICBIO. None of his music has been discussed in reliable sources. With the exception of the Vodafone Ghana Music Awards, all of the remaining awards he won or was nominated for are not notable. Versace1608 ^{Wanna Talk?} 14:37, 29 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Versace1608 ^{Wanna Talk?} 14:37, 29 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ghana-related deletion discussions. Versace1608 ^{Wanna Talk?} 14:37, 29 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. As you can see in the article he has filled stadiums in Ghana, nationwide media have written about him. What source in Ghana would you name as being reliable in your eyes, please, regarding the music business? --Gereon K. (talk) 15:42, 29 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Gereon K.: Filling up stadiums is not a valid keep criteria; please provide a reliable source for this claim. Which criterion of WP:MUSICBIO does he meet? You can start by listing which sources you found "reliable"? The only valid reliable source I see in the article is Ringier's Pulse Ghana. Versace1608 ^{Wanna Talk?} 16:01, 29 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Versace1608: 20,000 attended his album launching: [1]. You were the one that claimed that non of his music has been discussed in reliable sources. So I am asking you again. Which reliable Ghana sources did you check to make such a claim resp. what Ghana sources do you consider as being reliable? --Gereon K. (talk) 16:05, 29 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Again, 20,000 people attending his show is not not grounds for keep. Please tell me which criterion of WP:MUSICBIO he meets. The subject's only claim to notability is his multiple wins at the VGMA. I did a Google search and did not see him being discussed in independent reliable secondary sources. I already told you I believe Ringier's Pulse Ghana is reliable. Versace1608 ^{Wanna Talk?} 16:13, 29 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

#40 at Popnable Ghana Charts
#4 of Ghana music video countdown for Bestfriend, ft. Stonebwoy: [2]
#1 of the Pluse Video Charts for Total Cheat, ft. Sarkodie (rapper): [3]
The video of Total Cheat has more than 1 million views on YouTube: [4] --Gereon K. (talk) 16:48, 29 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

None of these charts are reliable charts; they are all single vendor charts. For your info, South Africa is the only African country (that I know of) with an official music chart. One of his videos getting a million views is not a valid keep criteria, especially when YouTube views can be bought. Can you please tell me which criterion of WP:MUSICBIO he meets? You have failed to show how he meets our notability requirements. To reiterate, his only claim to notability is his multiple VGMA wins. I don't think this is enough; none of the subject's music has been critically reviewed. Versace1608 ^{Wanna Talk?} 17:20, 29 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. This article needs improvement not deletion. this artist is notable and is one the biggest artists in Ghana right now. I also see so many trusted sources about him on the internet. Like his interviews with Voice of America and BBC focus on Africa.Shahadusadik (talk) 09:15, 30 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Shahadusadik: You bring nothing new to this discussion. Interview sources can be used in the article but cannot be used to establish notabiilty because they are not considered independent. Can you please tell me which criterion of WP:MUSICBIO the subject meets? Versace1608 ^{Wanna Talk?} 12:12, 30 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Versace1608: I think the subject has met criterion of WP:MUSICBIO based on the following reliable and independent sources:

Criteria 2: Ghana music chart #1 in 2020, #1 2019 and #9 in 2017. 4 of his song (icluding those he was featured in) made to top 20 list of the Ghana music chart [5]. This is the biggest music chart in Ghana.
Criteria 4: Dream tour [6] and here [7]
Criteria 7: 2017 Top 10 Northern Ghana’s Artistes. Geographically, Ghana is divided into 2; Northern and southern Ghana. This subject has topped the artist chart since 2017. He was recognized as the face of Zongo community in 2017 up to date.
Criteria 8: The subject has won 3 major international awards; Best Afrobeat Entertainer (2019) and Most Promising Entertainer(2020) at International Reggae & World Music Awards (IRAWMA), Best Male Act (2019) Ghana entertainment Awards (USA) and Best Male Act (2019) at Ghana-Naija Showbiz Awards (Nigeria). He was also Nominated for Best African Group (2018) at All Africa Music Awards (AFRIMMA)
Criteria 12: Being selected by the Government of Ghana and the ministry of communications to perform at a virtual concert on a national TV and radio stations to entertain Ghanaians during Covid-19 lockdown met this Criterion.Shahadusadik (talk) 23:52, 1 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. The subject of this article as mentioned earlier filled a 20,000 capacity stadium in Tamale, a city in Ghana. From this information it seems to me the subject wields a considerable amount of influence in the city of Tamale and therefore meets criterion number 7 of WP:MUSICBIO which states that: (The musician or ensemble meets the notability criteria/guidelines if he/she/they) "has/have become one of the most prominent of the local scene of a city." Also, VGMA is the pinnacle of music awards in Ghana and I believe recognition and awards from such a brand should be enough to make a subject from Ghana notable. Kinvidia (talk) 13:23, 30 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Kinvidia: He doesn't meet criterion 7 and your interpretation of said criterion is wrong. How exactly does performing to 20,000 people equate to being the "the most prominent representatives of a notable style or the most prominent of the local scene of a city"? What notable style of music is Fancy known for? He isn't the pioneer of any kind of fusion genre. The city of Tamale doesn't have any specific type of music scene, so how excatly is Fancy Gadam a prominent member of a local scene that does not exist? Can you backed any of these claims with reliable sources? Versace1608 ^{Wanna Talk?} 15:55, 30 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If I may quote you "The city of Tamale doesn't have any specific type of music scene". Now you are an expert on Tamale as well it seems. Several independent reliable sources have been mentioned here. You have your personal interpretation of what is reliable and what is not. For a country that does not publish official charts different chart sources have to be taken into consideration. I was giving several of them. --Gereon K. (talk) 16:52, 30 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. He's mentioned in books like Hip Hop around the World: An Encyclopedia, there are some scholarly articles and theses that he is discussed in, etc. -Yupik (talk) 20:13, 1 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Fancy Gadam is a notable subject and musician from Ghana especially the Northern part of Ghana Tamale to be precise. The subject has significant coverage in both Ghanaian and foreign media like Graphic.com.gh and voanews.com. Fancy Gadam has had sold out shows in Tamale and Accra. This is an article about the music scene in Tamale [8].Owula kpakpo (talk) 00:55, 3 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as per Critieria 7 of WP:MUSICBIO the subject is a prominent example of the music scene in Tamale and the Northern Region (Ghana) and as per Criteria 8 has also won a major national music award. WP:MUSICBIO states a subject has to meet one of the criteria - I count four so far. There was already a keep decision back in 2017 - why has the article been nominated again? MassiveEartha (talk) 07:38, 4 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.