Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kaya (Canadian singer)

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 07:33, 22 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Kaya (Canadian singer)

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Appears non-notable. A search for sources seems to turn up mainly other bios based on this one. --Mdann52talk to me! 12:24, 14 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. lavender|(formerlyHMSSolent|lambast 14:13, 14 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. lavender|(formerlyHMSSolent|lambast 14:13, 14 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete for non-notability. The poor guy doesn't even have enough fans to edit the article, he is doing it all for himself.[1][2] - Sweet Nightmares 16:50, 14 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The "official website" is just product advertisement (aimed at the very very gullible): "His philanthropy, exemplary devotion, and humanitarian aid have become a source of inspiration for millions of people on the planet.". :) Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 01:33, 15 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"Official websites" are almost always for promotional purposes — that's the very nature of the beast, and its why we don't accept them as sufficient referencing in and of themselves to support encyclopedia articles. But the fact that his own website is promotional is irrelevant, if the reliable sourcing is present to counter its advertorial tendencies with neutral content — and as of now, that sourcing is present. Bearcat (talk) 01:45, 15 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The article as written is definitely problematic, but he unconditionally passes WP:NMUSIC #8 on the basis of three Juno Award nominations (Most Promising Male Vocalist in 1991 and both Francophone Album of the Year and Artist of the Year in 1993). The sourcing problems likely result from the fact that at the time he was credited as Francis Martin rather than as Kaya, which is a new stage name he adopted in 2011 after several years out of the business (see [3], for starters.) Keep, I'll work on cleaning it up. Bearcat (talk) 17:19, 14 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You've convinced me. Keep, then. Here's a list of the awards and references:

1993 - Male Vocalist of the Year[4]
1993 - Best Selling Francophone Album[5]
1991 - Most Promising Male Vocalist of the Year[6]

- Sweet Nightmares 17:40, 14 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I've had my eye on this thing for ages and, yes, it is pretty bad but the awards make him notable. - Sitush (talk) 18:00, 14 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Update: I've added quite a bit of referencing — certainly some more would still be a good idea, but the challenge is that I don't have access to a database archive of French-language media from the 1990s (which is when the largest amount of coverage of him would have been published), so I have to rely mainly on web-accessible sources for the moment — and have toned down some of the promotional language and the trivia. One problem I'm still having is that while I'm finding a lot of general acknowledgements that he recorded two unsuccessful albums before his commercial breakthrough, I'm not finding hide nor hair of their titles (there's one pre-Drôle album credited to him by discogs.com, but for a variety of reasons I'm not confident enough that it's really him, rather than a different musician who merely happened to have the same name, to add it here without another source for confirmation.) However, even as a still imperfect work in progress it's in considerably better shape than it was at the time of nomination. Bearcat (talk) 21:31, 14 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry,for the record, this was a request sent in by OTRS, however, that should not affect your !votes at all :) --Mdann52talk to me! 06:25, 15 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep — The person meets WP:NMUSIC criteria 1 and criteria 8.--180.172.239.231 (talk) 07:07, 15 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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