Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Melissa Smith (2nd nomination)

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The result was No consensus (default keep). Jerry delusional ¤ kangaroo 02:22, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Melissa Smith

Twice previously deleted (see box), article has been recently recreated.

I'd have speedied it, but for two possibly significant additions:

1) Single released on itunes - I don't find this persuasive of notability 2) Claims of lead role in forthcoming film - referenced to (http://commandperformance-themovie.com/cast.html) but WP:CRYSTAL concerns Dweller (talk) 12:12, 22 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

weak keep - She has had a continuing presence in the "reality" music programming of late and made it as high as the semi-finals in at least one of the shows noted in her entry. It would seem appropriate, given the weight and depth of information provided on the actress/singer, that she be kept. While an individual area of notability may not be upheld, across the board, she would appear to be broadly known for her constant reappearance (which might do well in some outside-of-wikipedia critique of the reality programming "casts").--eleuthero (talk) 19:54, 22 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 00:02, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete minor stuff on reality tv and fails WP:MUSIC. Has little value other than promotion. We66er (talk) 05:39, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
weak keep Per eleuthero's reasoning. I tend to agree that minor notability can be established when considering everything even if it does not exist in any field per itself. So Why 10:08, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm. I agree that there is a class of person who is/becomes "famous for being famous". I'd be persuaded on this if there were any RS verification. Currently, there isn't. --Dweller (talk) 10:53, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Has appeared on several reality shows, had several TV/film appearances and has a lead role in an upcoming movie whilst also releasing a single on iTunes. She has enough actress credits to have a page and I don't see no reason for a deletion. --Xxultimatefanxx (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 23:03, 24 September 2008 (UTC).[reply]

Good to have the creator here. Noone disputes that she has appeared on several reality programmes and that she is slated to be in a future movie. However, Wikipedia convention is that most reality contestants are not notable, other than winners and people like Nasty Nick who find a broader notability outside the confines of the show itself. Similarly, WP:CRYSTAL means that until the film is on major release, we don't consider that notability either. How many planned films never make it? Those are reasons for deletion. A reason for keeping would be if she were the subject of multiple non-trivial references in independent reliable sources. The article currently has none. --Dweller (talk) 14:29, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes but the film has been filmed and has an official site with plenty of information which highlights that Melissa Smith is a lead in the film. She just doesn't isn't the usual reality TV show contestant who has a few reality show appearances, she has a TV background and some film background too. I would agree with you if all she had appeared in was the reality TV shows but she has done more professional work outside of them - music videos, TV shows, independent films, her debut single, TV & web appearances too. --Xxultimatefanxx (talk)

As soon as the film is released, she'll be notable. Until then WP:CRYSTAL applies. --Dweller (talk) 18:47, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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