Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Patrick Judge

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Demon Hunter. The consensus was to either redirect or delete, with slightly more emphasis on the former. The question was, "where?" Per 3family's analysis, the best target was Demon Hunter. (non-admin closure) Onel5969 ^{TT me} 12:11, 1 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Patrick Judge

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Fails notability guidelines. Has been a member in two bands and touring musician for one other band, but only one source discusses him and all mentions of him are passing. Walter Görlitz (talk) 23:05, 8 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I have found another source where he is interviewed. And I do not believe that he is not notable. Metalworker14 (talk · contribs) 4:06, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

~~Keep~~Keep or redirect - Article is decently sourced, and is beyond a stub. --Jax 0677 (talk) 15:58, 14 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Did you read the sources? They don't discuss the subject. Walter Görlitz (talk) 23:29, 14 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, KTC (talk) 01:33, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Requesting input from The Cross Bearer (talk · contribs) and 3family6 (talk · contribs) active members of the Wikipedia:WikiProject Christian music. The former is very good at finding and analyzing sources. If the subject is notable, he will find sources. The latter is very balanced in his approach to AfDs. This is not canvassing since I don't expect any specific response from the editors. Walter Görlitz (talk) 01:52, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'm leaning toward delete on this one. There is a smattering of brief coverage (I also found this video on Billboard, but there is no write-up), and Judge does meet criterion 6 of WP:BAND. However, there is not any significant coverage of this musician.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 02:09, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Reply - @Walter Görlitz:, @3family6: if the article cannot be kept, they why should it not be redirected to Demon Hunter? --Jax 0677 (talk) 02:58, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment It could be, but I didn't think that Patrick Judge was a reasonable search term. Walter Görlitz (talk) 03:02, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not opposed to a redirect.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 03:36, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect: He is not an independently notable musician, where he has not won any significant awards in Christian music specifically or music in general. While he has been part of more than one notable band, he was only an official member of The Showdown, meaning he fails BAND criteria, with regards to being "a musician who has been a reasonably prominent member of two or more independently notable ensembles." His article should not be redirected to Demon Hunter, rather it should go to The Showdown page.The Cross Bearer (talk) 04:34, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - Based on the Facebook and official internet sites, it seems that Judge is with Demon Hunter as permanently as permanent is. Assuming that Judge is temporary, 3 albums is only "as temporary as temporary is". --Jax 0677 (talk) 04:48, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  - Question: Do Demon Hunter and The Showdown for that matter, declare him an official member? If they do, no problem, then lets Keep; however, if they do not, big problem, then lets Delete. I was going on what was placed in the article by its author, where it needs sources to determine one way or the other.The Cross Bearer (talk) 05:00, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    - Reply In addition to their Facebook and official internet sites, these three sources [1], [2] and [3] confirm Judge as a permanent (as permanent as permanent is) member of Demon Hunter. These four sources [4], [5], [6] and [7], in addition to their Facebook site confirm that Judge is a permanent member of The Showdown. --Jax 0677 (talk) 15:26, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
      - Comment If he's not independently notable, to which article do we redirect? That's another reason for a delete. The only reason I would assume redirect is if it were a likely search term. The redirect should be to the article that contains the most information about the subject. Walter Görlitz (talk) 15:39, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Reply - This is part of the reason why musicians in multiple notable bands have their own articles. Assuming that the article cannot be kept, then his name should probably be redirected to Demon Hunter, as he has recorded three times as many albums with Demon Hunter as he has with The Showdown. Additionally, redirects are cheap and "Appropriate redirects from the subject's name and entries in disambiguation pages should be created to help readers find such information". --Jax 0677 (talk) 15:59, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – per WP:XY; it can either redirect to Demon Hunter or The Showdown. This should have been closed a week ago. sst✈^(discuss) 18:35, 28 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - The article for Demon Hunter indicates that Judge is a member of The Showdown and vice versa. --Jax 0677 (talk) 18:53, 28 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: General consensus to delete the article, but no consensus (yet) on which article to redirect this to sst✈^(discuss) 01:46, 29 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, sst✈^(discuss) 01:46, 29 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Demon Hunter - Judge has recorded three times the material for Demon Hunter than for The Showdown, and the scant mentions of him I can find online reference his tenure in Demon Hunter.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 05:01, 29 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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