Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/PopLife Records

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The result was redirect to Same Difference. Daniel (talk) 14:10, 4 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

PopLife Records

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A poorly sourced article on a company that does not appear to pass WP:NCORP. My particular concern is that there is no coverage that satisfies WP:CORPDEPTH, which states "Such coverage provides an organization with a level of attention that extends well beyond brief mentions and routine announcements, and makes it possible to write more than a very brief, incomplete stub about the organization." Sources cited in the article are inappropriate due to being forum posts, MySpace, blogs and the record label's own website. My WP:BEFORE search yielded only trivial mentions in independent sources and it's telling that this has zero hits on ProQuest.

There is no obvious WP:ATD either since the record label apparently had some connection with three different notable artists so there is not just the one redirect/merge target. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 12:56, 14 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 12:56, 14 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 12:56, 14 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 12:57, 14 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Same Difference. I disagree that the nominator's rationale is the right way to think about this article in particular or label articles in general. (For one thing, if we found something in ProQuest, that'd be quite valuable to notability, but it's not a mark against it if we don't, because ProQuest is not a very good aggregator of publications that would cover this kind of musical endeavor.) However, this label apparently only ever put out three singles and one album, and the bulk of any attention this label ever had or will get will be due to its connection with Same Difference, a legitimately famous charting group. (If it ever had associations with Marit Larsen or Dan Balan, as the article claims, those associations seem never to have amounted to an actual commercial release.) The footnotes in the current article are a wash - three unreliable sources and one that verifies that Same Difference in fact charted, which is covered better in the band's article (though this information could be merged if someone felt so inclined). But the label does not rise to the level of "one of the more important indie labels" suggested by WP:MUSIC. Chubbles (talk) 02:16, 15 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

In my opinion, a record label is a company so should be held to NCORP in the same way that a book publishing company or film company would be as well. If my interpretation of the guidelines is wrong, please let me know what the correct interpretation is. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 08:25, 15 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There's an open difference in opinion about this. I have long held that NCORP makes no sense for judging the importance of labels - it makes as much sense as using CORP to judge the notability of bands (even though bands unquestionably meet the criteria for what CORP covers), which we never do. People interested in music should be the ones creating the criteria for judging the importance of music-related topics, and WP:MUSIC in fact addresses labels, though briefly, and I think its language makes much more sense as a benchmark. Chubbles (talk) 11:58, 15 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

What would you say is an effective way of determining whether a label is one of the more important indie labels? Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 09:19, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I've brought this up from time to time on various talk pages and deletion discussions, for instance, here. Chubbles (talk) 15:32, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Bungle ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:09, 21 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - no objection to this being redirected to Same Difference where it is mentioned Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 13:04, 27 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect as above per WP:ATD, topic fails NCORP. HighKing⁺⁺ 20:59, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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