Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Princess Beatrice's daughter

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The result was delete. Anyone who wants to create a redirect from this title to Princess Beatrice or a subsection thereof is welcome to do so, though the existing redirect from the full name may be thought sufficient. Deor (talk) 22:13, 6 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Princess Beatrice's daughter

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Per precedent at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/August Brooksbank: article on a minor who has no notability independent from her mother. DrKay (talk) 20:01, 28 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete WP:LOWPROFILE child for whom privacy is a serious concern, where the illusion of WP:Notability is purely due to familial ties (but notability is WP:NOTINHERITED). See WP:INVALIDBIO: That person A has a relationship with well-known person B, such as being a spouse or child, is not a reason for a standalone article on A (unless significant coverage can be found on A); relationships do not confer notability. However, person A may be included in the related article on B. For example, Jason Allen Alexander is included in the article on Britney Spears and the page Jason Allen Alexander merely redirects to that article. TompaDompa (talk) 20:31, 28 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Since I commented, the name Sienna Mapelli Mozzi has been announced. It currently redirects to Princess Beatrice#Personal life, which seems reasonable. I don't think redirecting this title would be appropriate, however; as This is Paul notes, it is not unambiguous (it could for instance refer to Victoria Eugenie of Battenberg, daughter of Princess Beatrice of the United Kingdom, and it is of course possible for the current Princess Beatrice to have a second daughter). I see no content worth merging; all the relevant information is already at Princess Beatrice#Personal life. TompaDompa (talk) 15:13, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Royalty and nobility-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 21:01, 28 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 21:01, 28 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The baby fails WP:Notability in the sense that their notability cannot be inherited (as per WP:NOTINHERITED), though the speculation over the baby's name has been a subject in the media since (and before) her birth. As such, the baby qualifies for notability in accordance with WP:GNG. --MaximusWikipedian (talk) 01:33, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That's not enough. Some journalists speculating about what a baby's name might be fails WP:GNG because (1) it's only speculation, and (2) it's a completely trivial matter, an unnamed baby's future name is nothing. Delete. Richard75 (talk) 15:02, 3 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete and then redirect her name to her mother's page (once it has been announced). The child of a minor royal who is not expected to be elevated to a higher rank. She has the same level of notability as Princess Eugenie's son August Brooksbank. Keivan.f^Talk 02:04, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I think this is the correct approach, looking through the Current Line of Succcession, none of the great-grandchildren minor royals have their own Wikipedia. ScottishNardualElf (talk) 10:38, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I would say delete (possibly with a redirect to her mother once the name is known as suggested). Too far off the direct line of succession to be significant and as an infant does not have notability in her own right. As a great-grandchild of a monarch she may well meet notability in the future, but not now. Dunarc (talk) 20:47, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The current heir to the throne has long-held aims to reduce the royal family when he becomes king, meaning that this child won't even have a hereditary ceremonial role. [1] Recreate in 20 years when she's won a reality show or been given a cushy corporate post. Unknown Temptation (talk) 14:57, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I would propose to delete the articles of the Sussex Children too. There should only be an article on newborn royals if they are princes/princesses and therefore significant members of the royal familiy or if they bear some notability themeself, not only in connection to their parents. (This normally would be years later like inheritence of a substantive title, archiving something on their own or taking part in "the firm" somehow.) We do not need articles for individuals only listing their name, explaining which title they may use and which are actually used and listing some public appearance together with their parents. This should be in the articles of the parents and a more general on titles in the royal family. We should keep redirects to the more significant parent. Theoreticalmawi (talk) 13:21, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Merge Should be redirected to Sienna Mapelli Mozzi which redirects to Princess Beatrice Moondragon21 (talk) 18:25, 1 October 2021 (UTC
Keep Sienna outranks the children of the Earl of St Andrews and they all have wikipedia page, she is a direct descendant of Elizabeth II and the late Duke of Edinburgh and deserves her own wikipedia page — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.135.199.149 (talk) 18:05, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Because they are adults and have established notability through other ways, rather than just being born. Unlike the children of William and Harry, Beatrice and Eugenie's children will never become grandchildren of a monarch, and they are not high up in the line of succession to the throne either. Keivan.f^Talk 18:17, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per August Brooksbank.--Bettydaisies (talk) 22:32, 2 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Merge/redirect to Princess Beatrice#Personal life, which is already the case with Sienna Mapelli Mozzi. This is Paul (talk) 00:06, 3 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I had the content added and removed from the main redirect Sienna Mapelli Mozzi. That way it will stay there for future records and there will be no need to keep the vague title "Princess Beatrice's daughter". Keivan.f^Talk 16:18, 3 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Seems sensible, and the page title is a little confusing anyway. She's not the only Princess Beatrice to have a daughter, as from a quick check of the articles linked to from the page Princess Beatrice (disambiguation), I can see at least two other princesses with the name have had daughters. This is Paul (talk) 23:51, 3 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Princess Beatrice. There is a good joke in here somewhere about royals "inheriting" notability, and possibly another between "notability" and "nobility". However, as has been noted above, this person doesn't seem to be very close to the line of succession, and moreover, she was born on September 18. While I do believe this makes her Wikipedia's youngest BLP, it's pretty hard to argue for the merit of a biography currently spanning a period of less than a month. jp×g 01:20, 6 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, as per WP:Articles for deletion/August Brooksbank. MrsSnoozyTurtle 08:45, 6 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Merge/redirect to Princess Beatrice#Personal life.4meter4 (talk) 16:39, 6 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.