Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rémy Couvez

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Default to keep. Various good policy arguments each way. It seems to hinge on whether or not the references constitute "non-trivial" coverage. No immediate BLP or promotional concerns, but should be monitored. Jujutacular (talk) 17:04, 6 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Rémy Couvez

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This article mainly cites the artist's own website, and fails to provide any substantive independent sources to establish WP:GNG. Guy (Help!) 10:04, 1 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. I'm the author of this page (I'm also French so forgive my mistakes...). There are several websites which are talking about him. He did a lot of concerts and there are some articles on newspapers talking about him, and even some videos of his concerts... I don't know what the criteria are in the English Wikipedia but it is admissible in the French Wikipedia. Cordially, — Antimuonium (Talk) 10:13, 1 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I found these sources after a quick search: [1], [2], [3], and [4]. I do not speak French, nor do I have any knowledge of French media sources, so I do not feel able to evaluate these. If they are reliable, then the subject would appear to meet GNG. Vanamonde (talk) 11:16, 1 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 08:26, 5 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of France-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 08:26, 5 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment, Fr wikipedia has an article on Couvez, unfortunately it has no references, summary of above refs. mentioned by Vanamonde93 - 1 and 4 are short reviews of performances with no depth, 2 and 3 are announcements of future performances. Coolabahapple (talk) 09:27, 5 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment, hi Antimuonium, you might like to take a look at WP:NMUSIC to see what makes a musician notable. Coolabahapple (talk) 09:36, 5 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I think that there still are many articles talking about him, like here, here, here with discography, here, here, etc. I know these articles are not very long but can't it be counted as a criterion of WP:NMUSIC? I mean, the first one? These articles are multiple, independent of the musician himself, etc. He also did a lot of concerts in France. — Antimuonium ^{U wanna talk?} 10:00, 5 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete at least until the many sources discussed here have been added to the article and together assure notability under WP:MUSICBIO at which the article currently clearly fails. Bearing in mind that even a plethora of cited sources still does not make a topic notable that does not meet the claims of importance and significance required by the guideline.Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:05, 5 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 01:04, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment, WP:CONTN] - "Notability is a property of a subject and not of a Wikipedia article. ... Conversely, if the source material exists, even very poor writing and referencing within a Wikipedia article will not decrease the subject's notability." Coolabahapple (talk) 03:12, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 04:17, 15 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 17:45, 25 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 17:45, 25 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I find exactly seven news articles mentioning the subject, all in French, and while my French is terrible, it's good enough to recognize that he is not the subject in five of them, and the other two are describing the same concert, one before and one after. Outside of that, I see nothing that qualifies him under WP:NMUSIC. It's all primary sources. ArchieOof (talk) 21:40, 25 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I would advocate some more leeway for this guy because he's a hurdy-gurdy player and not just another cellist or lead guitarist. Our coverage of the hurdy-gurdy is scant. OK, so now looking at overall notability, here're the four refs provided by Vanamonde93:

Brief review/mention. Don't know the venue's notability but its slick and professional.
Brief review/mention. Don't know the venue's notability but its slick and professional.
Brief review/mention. Same outlet as previous.
Brief review/mention. Don't know the venue's notability but its slick and professional.

and from the article

Dunno, its behind a paywall. Looks slick and professional and must be at least a brief review/mention.
Tourism site, would need an archived copy, but probably just a bare listing.

There more, looks to be 3-4 more brief reviews/mentions, and then [5] here's a discography and one-paragraph description.

I'd like a proper little mini-bio in at least a regional paper or something like that, but he's French so it's harder to find that stuff. The refs don't have a lot of meat on them, but there are quite a few of them. He does not meet WP:GNG as far as I can tell, but the article seems worthwhile nevertheless.

Look, he's far better ref'd than Jean-François Dutertre (one ref) and Valentin Clastrier (one ref, to his own website) and Dominique Regef (two refs). And that's it for our French hurdy-gurdy players (Régine Chassagne is Canadian). Should we clear out that class of musicians? There's no argument against Rémy Couvez that doesn't go double against these other guys. And after we've cleared out the French, there are only twelve others in Category:Hurdy-gurdy players, maybe we should just blank out the category? What are we trying to accomplish here? Provide the sum of human knowledge, or just dump all our material on this instrument and it's players? Keep. Herostratus (talk) 00:38, 1 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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