Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ratchet (Ratchet & Clank)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Ratchet & Clank (series). –Juliancolton ^Tropical ^Cyclone 14:19, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ratchet (Ratchet & Clank)

This character does not establish notability independent of its series. Without coverage in reliable third party sources, it is just made up of unnecessary plot summary and original research. TTN (talk) 19:15, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep main character in a notable multi-generation game series. JuJube (talk) 22:40, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Not to repeat myself too often, but, as with Quark and Clank characters: the game series itself is very notable, both for design and gameplay innovations, and as one of the leading video game series on the Playstation consoles; and with this character being one of the three most important characters in the series, it seems a tad hasty to toss out the character page. The article references several of the games (which are all notable enough to be in Wikipedia), and even notes that the character is famous enough to have made cameo appearances in other media. Moreover, while the author of the article neglected to provide a link, he (or she) did include a reference to the Game Informer review of one of the games. Keep for now, and hopefully get some more sources in there. JasonDUIUC (talk) 22:44, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The mentions in other media are trivial. As for the reference... what reference? Even so, was it a reference which covers the character in detail, as per the general notability guidelines? No, not the game. The actual character. Presumably Game Informer is reliable, but I'm not sure it can be used in this case, as I'm willing to guess it covers the game and not the character. --Izno (talk) 04:15, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as per JasonDUIUC. Main character appearing in multiple notable games. Edward321 (talk) 23:17, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of video game related deletions. MuZemike (talk) 02:50, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Ratchet and Clank. Just as I mentioned in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Clank, if the character is notable, then prove it using reliable sources. Otherwise, it's nothing but unverifiable original research. MuZemike (talk) 02:52, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect instead of R&C, it should probably be redirected to Ratchet & Clank (series) (as the character is recurring), but am otherwise in agreement with MuZemike. --Izno (talk) 03:19, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep- Needs cleanup, but as JasonDUIUC points out, its notable. Umbralcorax (talk) 03:42, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - He's the main character in a long, successful and popular game series who has become nearly a household name beacuse of his renowned voice actor. The article says a lot about him and his role. TTN, I don't know what you were thinking at that time, but if you thought he was 'not' notable and the article contained 'no' original research, think again, because he is one of the most famous names associated with the PS2 and PS3 by his series and there are many game sites, reviews and news that speak strongly for the game series and that it is impossible not to have seen any mention of Ratchet and Clank - ever!, (basically, anything good about Ratchet and Clank on it speaks for itself and the series. unless you don't know what a PS2 or a PS3 is. Please, please do a bit more research and have a neutral point of view before you slap that ugly deletion discussion template on the page - Typing 'Ratchet and Clank' into Google brings a lot of positive reviews, praise and the like about the series. I have no intention of harm or offence, but ~~please don't express your opinion or attitude against Ratchet or his associated game series.~~ Sorry for the lengthy vote, but thank you. Æåm Fætsøn (talk) 11:22, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- About the character itself or about the game? Also mind ad hominem attacks and civility. MuZemike (talk) 13:09, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Sorry if my argument was a bit too opinionated, but I understand now. About my previous comment now, it'll be the same for any Ratchet and Clank articles undergoing deletion debates. And MuZemike, if I said this before, the aricle does reveal a lot about the character and the game. Thank you for reminding me. - Æåm Fætsøn (talk) 23:56, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - You're very welcome. And thank you for making the strike. MuZemike (talk) 17:40, 19 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to game series page. I am a huge fan of the R&C game series, but I will easily admit that the depth of coverage of the fictional side of this is very limited due to lack of usable sources. This page basically restates the plot of each game in the series and has nothing about the character's developement (again, something I've never seen when looking through sources) or critical reception, and what does need to be stated is already in the main series article. --MASEM 11:58, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect without reliable third-party sources, this can't meet WP:N or WP:V. Mind you, this character probably has at least a few mentions out there. The problem is the article is almost entirely a rehash of information in other articles. Absolutely no new information, let alone referenced information. Redirecting will ultimately allow readers to see the same content, without putting it in separate articles. Randomran (talk) 01:59, 20 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect per Randomran. No sources == no article. Stifle (talk) 08:08, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

20 October 2008 (UTC)

Redirect. Some people here seem to think that fame = notability. The fact that sources discussing this character in a non-trivial way cannot be found shows that outside of the series he is non-notable, so he should be covered in the game article.Yobmod (talk) 09:47, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Ratchet & Clank (series), as above, there do not seem to be any reliable, independent sources about the character itself. Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 11:52, 22 October 2008 (UTC).[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.