Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Richard Graham (Northern Ireland footballer)

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The result was keep. WP:SNOW JForget 23:23, 3 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Richard Graham (Northern Ireland footballer)

Plays at semi-pro level for last 9 years, thus failing WP:ATHLETE. Also plays in fifth tier of English football, therefore failing WP:N ----Leagueofireland (talk) 21:06, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football related deletions. User:Leagueofireland--Leagueofireland (talk) 21:06, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep passes WP:ATHLETE. He has played in the fully-professional Football League Two with Barnet and Dag & Red, spanning across four seasons. --Jimbo^[online] 21:27, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment, did D&R have any part time player at the club during that time?--Vintagekits (talk) 21:28, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Played for Dagenham & Redbridge on a semi-pro contract and is now playing non-league and part time with Grays Athletic.--Goodriddance54 (talk) 21:39, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment, how do you know that is was a "semi pro contract"? regards--Vintagekits (talk) 21:42, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That account looks suspiciously like a sock puppet. --Jimbo^[online] 21:45, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment He was on Football Focus in January when Grays Athletic took on Carlisle United in the first round "proper" of the FA Cup. It showed him working at a car dealership in Grays.--Goodriddance54 (talk) 21:49, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Graham only signed for Grays a few days ago and hasn't played for them before this season. --Jimbo^[online] 21:57, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
In January 2009 he was playing for Kettering. Are you sure you're not confusing him with someone else.....? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 22:17, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

And even if he had been working in a car dealership while playing for Grays in January (which he wasn't), that doesn't support your claim that he "Played for Dagenham & Redbridge on a semi-pro contract", which is what Vintagekits asked you to prove..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:04, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

- You must have missed Barnet? --Jimbo^[online] 22:07, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Passes WP:BIO and WP:N. Mattythewhite (talk) 22:13, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment, I tend to agree with you because of his under 21 cap - but can you explain why you think he passes these policies. regards--Vintagekits (talk) 22:15, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

WP:BIO due to his having played in a fully professional league with Queens Park Rangers, Barnet and Dagenham & Redbridge, and WP:N due to the subject having "received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject", courtesy of the BBC reports. Cheers, Mattythewhite (talk) 22:26, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I dont think he actually played for QPR - regardless, thanks for the reply.--Vintagekits (talk) 22:34, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sourced in Hughman's Football League stats book. I also found an online report for a league game he played against Grimsby for QPR [1]. Looks like soccerbase confused him with Mark Graham [2]. --Jimbo^[online] 08:23, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - passes WP:ATHLETE as he played regularly for Barnet in League Two in 2005-06, at which point Dave Rainford was playing for Heybridge Swifts in the Isthmian League -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 22:25, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - passes WP:ATHLETE. Giant Snowman 08:42, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. As well as playing for Barnet, he has also played twice for QPR in Division 1, therefore he actually passes WP:ATHLETE. With regards to the nomination, I should also note that WP:N has absolutely nothing to do with what level of football a player is playing at. Bettia (bring on the trumpets!) 09:07, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This AfD nomination was incomplete (missing step 3). It is listed now. DumbBOT (talk) 14:38, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per QPR etc. Geschichte (talk) 13:28, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

He never actually played a league game for QPR.--Vintagekits (talk) 13:31, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

See above. Sources prove otherwise. --Jimbo^[online] 13:37, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, clearly played in the Football League. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 05:18, 2 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, Football League player.--EchetusXe (talk) 18:06, 2 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.