Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rosati's

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The result was delete. – Juliancolton | ^Talk 16:31, 12 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Rosati's

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There are two Rosati's with their different websites in the same geographic area, completely indistinguishable. This article is a mix of both. This article keeps getting reverted back and vandalized by someone who represents one of the companies. This article is not significant and is quite pointless. If its really necessary, a new article can be made. JibuWoooooooooooah (talk) 21:45, 28 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions. Redditaddict6 9 21:51, 28 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions. Redditaddict6 9 21:51, 28 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Illinois-related deletion discussions. Redditaddict6 9 21:51, 28 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Article is in bad shape but no valid reason given for its deletion. AFD is not intended as a place to resolve disputes. Teemu08 (talk) 01:13, 29 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep There is third party coverage of Rosati's on Google News. I think there's confusion because there's a myrosatis.com and a rosatis.com, both of which appear to belong to the same restaurant. Is that the confusion you're referring to? In any case, the restuarant is deserving of an article, though the current article is blatant advertising from COI, possibly paid, editors. – FenixFeather ^{(talk)(Contribs)} 23:08, 29 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Looks like there are in fact a large number of variations of Rosati's that all trace back to the same guy, but they're all different companies. – FenixFeather ^{(talk)(Contribs)} 23:13, 29 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I rewrote the article to be specifically about ROSATI’S FRANCHISE & DEVELOPMENT LLC. I made this decision because there's an existing redirect with that name that points to this article, and it was the company I was able to find third party coverage of. However, if the other companies using this name are also notable, then the article should be renamed and another article for that Rosati's established. – FenixFeather ^{(talk)(Contribs)} 23:27, 29 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Local business, local coverage (The State Journal-Register - state wide, Minneapolis/St. Paul Business Journal. - city wide), not suitable for national (not too mention international) encyclopedia; fails WP:NORG and WP:GNG. PS. Ping User:Teemu08 - I agree with what you said, but I hope my argument for deletion is more valid. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:52, 4 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure I agree with this assessment. [2] shows that this business is actually quite widespread. And there's nothing wrong with local newspaper coverage. They're significant, reliable, and independent, as far as I can tell. – FenixFeather ^{(talk)(Contribs)} 20:16, 4 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Having a number of branches nationwide (or even international-wide) is not sufficient for notability (through of course helps with other things that are).As for local newspaper coverage, it is particularly inadvisable for organizations, see WP:AUD. IMHO this should've been expanded long ago to WP:N in general, but I guess it didn't, however there is consensus to avoid such sources when it comes to businesses. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:07, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately my Wikipedia Library credentials just lapsed and I have to wait for renewal, but it looks like there are some good WP:NCORP-friendly articles in Chicago Tribune for Nov 5, 1995, Entrepreneur Vol 19 p 240, and Restaurant Business vol. 104 p 32. Teemu08 (talk) 14:38, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Teemu08: [3] The article in Chicago Tribune seems solid, but it's about the whole group of Rosati's in general. According to the article, family members get to use the "Rosati's" name for free, which explains why there's 50 different companies that all operate under Rosati's. I think it might be worth thinking about rewriting the article as a collection of companies rather than as one. In any case, the article is still salvageable so I don't think it's a good idea to delete. – FenixFeather ^{(talk)(Contribs)} 17:26, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 14:25, 4 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I have been unable to find any references that meet the criteria for establishing notability. Most are based on company announcements and/or interviews/quotations from affiliated sources. Topic fails GNG and NCORP. HighKing⁺⁺ 17:45, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Weak delete As someone who lives in an area where multiple Rosati's companies operate (Phoenix), it is confusing. If the article can be made to talk about the different branches, it might help. But that's difficult and invites quite a bit of puff. Raymie (t • c) 19:50, 7 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nomination and commentary, as above. -The Gnome (talk) 15:47, 12 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.