Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Westminster School, Dubai

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The result was delete. ✗plicit 13:18, 22 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Westminster School, Dubai

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The article has been here since 2009 and has a tag dated to 2014, where the criteria for verification and better sources has still not been met. I would say 80% of the article's citations are primary sources to the schools' own website and blog? which violates WP:RSPRIMARY but the rest of the sources, mainly the ones including the the British govt's website and UNESCO are inflated. It bears little to the school itself as it's just explaining the schools' curriculum, nothing regarding the school itself. Prior to this AfD I had removed an entire unreferenced section and have seen small areas where NPOV language has not been met. The article had an instnace of growth mainly due to paid editors(staff) from the school itself editing the article to make the school look good, basically writing the article as an advert. The only other reference mentioned is from Kent Online a seemingly reliable source regarding the principal of the school, which to me does not seem to be of much significance to the article itself. Let me know your thoughts. Delta fiver (talk) (UTC) 06:33, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. Delta fiver (talk) (UTC) 06:33, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. Delta fiver (talk) (UTC) 06:33, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United Arab Emirates-related deletion discussions. Delta fiver (talk) (UTC) 06:33, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Education-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 06:37, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. More than 5,000 students. Meets WP:GNG. Of course it's notable. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:18, 16 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Hi, @Necrothesp: thank you for your opinion, can you elaborate more on how having 5,000 enrolled students validates GNG if no sources back up the claim. Also can you help me understand how that number itself can be relied upon, as it's from the school's website itself and has not been authenticated by a secondary source. In my opinion, I feel this article does not even satisfy the first line of the WP:GNG sub-section due to not having significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Thank you. Delta fiver (talk) (UTC) 17:28, 16 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- They were two separate statements. First, its sourcing meets GNG. And second, I fail to see how such a large school is not notable. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:41, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  - May I know how its sourcing meets GNG if almost all of it is from their own website and has not had any additional sources of information on the page since 2009, authenticating it? The remaining sources are just general information regarding the British curriculum, which any and all schools following British patterned education can add. I would understand if the curriculum information was added after notability had been established, through the criteria. But I don't think that information has to do with notability for the school. Additional note, I'll condense the four sources from the same website regarding the curriculum as it seems inflated. The notable scenario that got some traction a while back was when the school was about to close, it did not happen and was just one incident which I don't think is enough to warrant notability. Further, I fail to see how you consider GNG to be met when all five criteria require some essence of reliable sources and this article has just one I feel and that's not even about the school, it's regarding the principal moving to Dubai, to take charge of the school as its principal. Yes, it's a large school as many schools offering British patterned education in Dubai are, but I feel there's nothing regarding the school to signify current notability. Delta fiver (talk) (UTC) 14:11, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Mainly listings and related sources under its few unique hits. No independent, reliable sources. The Banner talk 13:31, 18 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I had looked into this when it was posted and had decided to vote delete at that point due to the lack of reliable, in-depth, independent coverage, but the nominator wrote a message on my talk page asking for my opinion about it before I could post the "vote." So if the closer wants to ignore this "vote" since it was sort of canvassed I'm fine with that. Although, like I said, I was planning on voting delete on it before the nominator messaged me and I don't see why I shouldn't be able to participate in something or have my opinion disqualified because of another user's actions that I have no control over. I don't think it was the intent of the nominator to canvass people either. Again though, the closer is free to ignore this, but I'm of the opinion that the school isn't notable. --Adamant1 (talk) 01:12, 19 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Hi Adamant, I don't think your vote would be a problem at all, as I asked for an opinion and didn't ask you to maliciously vote to delete, on the discussion page. Either way, even if you did vote to keep, I would've still respected your answer as it is your opinion and it was one that you had prior to me messaging you on the talk page. Delta fiver (talk) (UTC) 05:10, 19 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails WP:GNG. I have edited numerous existing WP articles about schools - often significant RS coverage about their history, notable former pupils and (occasionally) notable teachers help to establish notability. This, though, has nothing to justify its retention. Paul W (talk) 10:07, 22 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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