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Category:Toronto Maple Leafs broadcasters

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The result of the discussion was: result. Dana boomer (talk) 18:23, 6 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Nominator's rationale: Another TMC1982 Creation that serves no encyclopedic purpose The Resident Anthropologist (talk) 22:27, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Rhino Box Sets

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The result of the discussion was: result. Dana boomer (talk) 18:23, 6 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Nominator's rationale: Overcategorization as there is already Category:Rhino Records compilation albums. Alternately rename Rhino Records box sets —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:10, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Specialized NCAA men's basketball championship template subcategories

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The result of the discussion was: Rename to "Foo men's basketball templates", remove from overall championship category. Dana boomer (talk) 20:57, 8 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Kentucky Wildcats men's basketball championship templates

Category:UCLA Bruins men's basketball championship templates

Category:North Carolina Tar Heels men's basketball championship templates

Nominator's rationale: Delete all. It's overcategorization. There already exists Category:NCAA Men's Basketball Championship templates that contains all of the championship teams' seasons' templates, why is there any need to further break it apart? I actually find it very inconvenient, also, when trying to enact mass-edits for consistency. Jrcla2 (talk) 22:02, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Rename each by removing "championship" from the title, remove each from Category:NCAA Men's Basketball Championship templates, and add to each other templates used for the respective team's men's basketball teams. I agree that it's over-categorization to have special subcategories for just the NCAA championships, but it would make it easier for fans of the team to review and maintain the templates if they were in their own "Templates by team" category. I would anticipate Kentucky, UCLA, and UNC, being three of the most-successful programs in men's basketball, could have several other templates that would fit in a template category. –Grondemar 23:31, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Question - Are these categories subcategories under something like school basketball or school athletic department categories? If so, I might see a reason for them. If they just subdivide the championship templates then get rid of them. Rikster2 (talk) 00:43, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - The categories are currently both subcategories of Category:NCAA Men's Basketball Championship templates and the individual men's basketball program categories for each school. –Grondemar 01:03, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Huh? No offense but that explanation was very convoluted. I think Category:NCAA Men's Basketball Championship templates should be kept. I'm saying that these three teams' subcats is overcategorization and should be deleted. All championship templates need to remain in one spot for consistency. Whether they are also added to newly created "Category:Team X men's basketball templates" is a whole other issue not pertinent in this CfD. Jrcla2 (talk) 02:15, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - Sorry for any confusion. Let me try that again:
    - I definitely agree Category:NCAA Men's Basketball Championship templates should be kept.
    - I agree that there is no need for individual team subcategories under Category:NCAA Men's Basketball Championship templates.
    - I agree that no championship templates should be removed from Category:NCAA Men's Basketball Championship templates.
    - I guess there's really no difference between deleting these categories and creating new "Category:Team X men's basketball templates", and renaming these categories as "Category:Team X men's basketball templates" and removing them from Category:NCAA Men's Basketball Championship templates, except that the bot that closes CfDs will automate most of the work associated with moving the articles to the renamed categories if we close this debate as rename instead of delete. I favor letting the bot do the work if at all practical. Let me know if this still isn't clear. –Grondemar 02:42, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
      - All clear. Rename or delete, either way is fine with me so long as they no longer screw up consistency within Category:NCAA Men's Basketball Championship templates. Jrcla2 (talk) 02:54, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Rename/Delete My only point was that if the categories exist as useful subcategories to some other category (not the championship template cat) then there might be a use for them. That does not appear to be the case here. I agree that the macro-category isn't so big it needs subs. I also agree that these three sub-cats make project maintenence more difficult than it needs to be. Rikster2 (talk) 12:16, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Hindu and Buddhist heritage of Afghanistan

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The result of the discussion was: Relisting, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2010 October 8. Dana boomer (talk) 02:03, 10 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Nominator's rationale: Merge and split into appropriate categories: Category:Hinduism in Afghanistan, Category:Buddhism in Afghanistan, Category:History of Hinduism, Category:History of Buddhism, Category:Afghan society, etc. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:11, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Manually split After appropriate replacemtn categories have been added to all articles, this can be deleted, but you cannot expect a closing Admin to do the work for you. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:11, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Disagree to split , but agree to add categories . Cultural religious heritage often overlap ,why would you like to split this ??.It would needlessly fractionate ,dissipate an important consumate resource of pre islamic Afghan heritage.Intothefire (talk) 17:16, 7 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Redirects from full names

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The result of the discussion was: Rename. Dana boomer (talk) 18:23, 6 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Redirects from full names to TO BE DETERMINED

Nominator's rationale: The template which populates this category recently was renamed from {{R from full name}} to {{R from long name}} because the template is often applied to redirects from longer but still-partial names, and the category should be renamed to reflect its actual scope. Viable options may include Category:Redirects from long names ~~(although this is somewhat ambiguous)~~ and Category:Redirects from extended names. -- Black Falcon ^(talk) 19:45, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support moving to Category:Redirects from long names to match Category:Redirects from short names. McLerristarr / Mclay1 02:58, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Huh, I didn't know about that one... In light of the naming of the "short names" category, "long names" definitely seems to be the best option in this case. Thanks, -- Black Falcon ^(talk) 04:14, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Religious schools

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The result of the discussion was: Keep as named. Dana boomer (talk) 18:26, 6 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Religious schools to Category:Religious schools by country

Nominator's rationale: Rename. To disambiguate from Category:Schools by religious affiliation. --Kevlar (talk • contribs) 18:55, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Rename per nom. --Bsherr (talk) 19:06, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- The below proposal is fine too. --Bsherr (talk) 15:56, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Keep Category:Religious schools, but make it a parent category of a new Category:Religious schools by country and of the existing Category:Schools by religious affiliation. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:32, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. I think we shouldn't have Category:Foo by country without also having Category:Foo. We should make a new subcategory Category:Religious schools by country instead, allowing for future subcategories such as Category:Religious schools by type of floral arrangement or something. JIP | Talk 14:19, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose -- there is nothing wrong with the scheme as it is at present. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:13, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. We have a super-cat for both of these, it's at Category:Religious education. --Kevlar (talk • contribs) 21:03, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
rename per nom This is a legitimate category structure. This category needs to be more fully populated with subcats. I started on this. Hmains (talk) 22:36, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Graphic non-fiction

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The result of the discussion was: Rename. Dana boomer (talk) 18:23, 6 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Graphic non-fiction to Category:Non-fiction comics

Nominator's rationale: The current name is ambiguous and the new name is in line with other genre categories. May Cause Dizziness (talk) 14:05, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Rename. That "graphic" means "comics" is only known to comics collectors, it confuses everyone else. Also calling it "non-fiction comics" keeps in line with its supercategories. JIP | Talk 14:53, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Bishops of Portsmouth

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The result of the discussion was: Rename. Dana boomer (talk) 18:23, 6 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Bishops of Portsmouth to Category:Bishops of Portsmouth (Anglican)

Nominator's rationale: For consistency with the article Bishop of Portsmouth (Anglican) and to reduce the possibility of confusion with the Catholic Bishops. DuncanHill (talk) 12:06, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Rename as nom -- Sicne there are both Anglican and Catholic bishops, a disambiguator is necessary. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:16, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Rename per nom. --Lenticel ^(talk) 05:16, 5 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Finnish soldiers

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The result of the discussion was: Keep. Dana boomer (talk) 18:28, 6 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Nominator's rationale: Delete. Only contains one article: Olavi Laiho. Appears to be redundant with its supercategory Category:Finnish military personnel, whose Finnish interwiki link already goes to fi:Luokka:Suomalaiset sotilaat ("Finnish soldiers"). Category:Finnish generals is a subcategory of both this category and its supercategory. JIP | Talk 07:16, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - The distinction is soldiers as members of the army, contrasted with sailors as members of the navy, etc. Finnish generals and Finnish admirals should probably be removed from Finnish military personnel, as they're in their respective subcategories. --Bsherr (talk) 07:23, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- In that case the category should be populated. I'm fairly sure some of the people in the category Category:Finnish military personnel are soldiers. JIP | Talk 07:37, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - Sure! Diffuse away, please! --Bsherr (talk) 07:52, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    - Already but I need some extra eyes and hands to verify and finish categorizing.---Lenticel ^(talk) 03:24, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – part of the established scheme Category:Soldiers by nationality. And surely more can be found. Occuli (talk) 07:57, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
keep for above reasons, even if there is not much of a current population. Hmains (talk) 02:21, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep no longer SMALLCAT.--Lenticel ^(talk) 03:25, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Shared IP addresses from the military of the United States

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The result of the discussion was: Relisting, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2010 October 8. Dana boomer (talk) 02:03, 10 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Shared IP addresses from the military of the United States to Category:Shared IP addresses from government agencies or facilities

Nominator's rationale: Merge. The result at TfD was to merge the template for shared IP addresses of the US military into the template for shares IP addresses of government agencies and facilities. The remaining question is whether this category has any remaining utility. I would advance the proposal that it does not have any remaining utility, that for purposes of the shared IP templates, US military shared IP addresses are treated the same as all government shared IP addresses, regardless of country. I therefore propose the deletion of the category, and that the merge be completed by redirect. Bsherr (talk) 04:37, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - One thing to note is that there is no indication in the current name or proposed name that this is a category meant for user pages. Someone seeing this category might think there's some sort of set of articles on military IP addresses; there's no indication that this is a project category. I'd try something like Category:Wikipedia user pages of shared IP addresses from government agencies or facilities. VegaDark (talk) 01:29, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- I'd be supportive of renaming too. --Bsherr (talk) 16:02, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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