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Category:Orientalist fraternalism

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:26, 19 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Subjective categorization - none of these groups call themselves "orientalist" nor is there any published research defining them as such. MSJapan (talk) 23:13, 11 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete (perhaps after listifying). These seem to be about American fraternal organizations, which little association with the Orient, except the name. At best the name is misleading and (if kept) should be renamed to indicate that it is a USA category. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:00, 12 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Reply - Peter, you are correct. The problem with listifying is that we have no source that says these groups are "orientalist". "Orientalist" is also somewhat of a pejorative term, and that isn't at all what these groups denote. There is nothing that says "Shriners are orientalist" or "Grotto is orientalist", etc., so there's no basis upon which to make the statement. MSJapan (talk) 19:46, 12 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Football at the 2015 Military World Games

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The result of the discussion was: delete. All three of the articles were already in the sole parent category, Category:Football at the Military World Games, so there was no need to upmerge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 09:08, 4 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Category not needed, article at AfD here JMHamo (talk) 18:53, 11 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. JMHamo (talk) 18:59, 11 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Question and answer sites

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:25, 19 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Rename category to use the term websites. This is in the standard usage for all category descriptions. And add hyphenation to the compound adjective question-and-answer. Senator2029 “Talk” 13:57, 11 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Baltic states / countries

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Baltic states. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:20, 19 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge as it seems that the two categories have the same purpose. I have no preference for either merge direction so I've tagged both categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:23, 11 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Historical people

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The result of the discussion was: delete/merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:23, 19 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: delete/merge, we normally do not make a difference between living and historical people; see also this earlier discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:16, 11 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:1841 establishments in the United Province of Canada

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The result of the discussion was: merge, plus Category:Establishments in the United Province of Canada by year which will become empty. In contrast, Category:Establishments in Canada by year is well-populated. – Fayenatic London 22:32, 21 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: We have tended not to divide establishment by year categories by formal prefixes eg. Kingdom of France, Republic of France. If there is some special reason for this prefix the article is actually at Province of Canada, so should be at Category:1841 establishments in the Province of Canada. Tim! (talk) 12:03, 11 October 2015 (UTC) Tim! (talk) 12:03, 11 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Grand Duchy of Baden

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: keep year and establishments-in-year categories, upmerge/delete the decade/century/millennia categories. Note: the year and establishments categories are already parented in the equivalent categories for Germany, so navigation from e.g. Category:1860s in Germany is not lost altogether. – Fayenatic London 21:52, 21 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, there are currently only 5 establishments articles and 6 other articles in the year categories, across the whole history of this Grand Duchy. At most there might be room for a separate category Category:Revolutions of 1848–49 in Baden as a child category of Category:German revolutions of 1848–49. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:24, 11 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
To be clear, I favor keeping Category:Establishments in the Grand Duchy of Baden by year and having the 8 individual year categories loose in that container. RevelationDirect (talk) 23:29, 11 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • @RevelationDirect: It seems clear to me that your alternative is to support deleting nearly all intermediate categories but not to support (some of?) the nominated mergers. Then just for clarity, is your alternative not to merge the five establishment year categories and/or is your alternative not to merge the eight year categories? Obviously I will (have to) go along with any less radical solution than nominated if there's not enough consensus for the nominated solution. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:06, 12 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I agree with RevelationDirect. It only existed for 113 years, from 1806 to 1918, so the millennium category will always hold just the "2nd millennium establishments", which in turn will hold everything. Merge all the years into "Category:Establishments in the Grand Duchy of Baden by year", and delete the centuries-related and decades-related categories, too. If we get a lot more of them, re-splitting by century will be warranted: we routinely split by subnational entity, so having categories like "1902 establishments in the Grand Duchy of Baden" would be quite appropriate. Nyttend (talk) 11:41, 12 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Extended content
  • Category:Establishments in the Grand Duchy of Baden by millennium — delete
  • Category:2nd millennium in the Grand Duchy of Baden — delete
  • Category:2nd-millennium establishments in the Grand Duchy of Baden — delete
  • Category:Establishments in the Grand Duchy of Baden by century — delete
  • Category:Establishments in the Grand Duchy of Baden by decade — delete
  • Category:1810s in the Grand Duchy of Baden — delete
  • Category:1820s in the Grand Duchy of Baden — delete
  • Category:1830s in the Grand Duchy of Baden — delete
  • Category:1850s in the Grand Duchy of Baden — delete
  • Category:1840s in the Grand Duchy of Baden — delete
  • Category:1860s in the Grand Duchy of Baden — delete
  • Category:1810s establishments in the Grand Duchy of Baden — delete
  • Category:1830s establishments in the Grand Duchy of Baden — delete
  • Category:1850s establishments in the Grand Duchy of Baden — delete
  • Category:1860s establishments in the Grand Duchy of Baden — delete
  • Category:Establishments in the Grand Duchy of Baden by year — keep
  • Category:1812 establishments in the Grand Duchy of Baden — keep without merging
  • Category:1821 establishments in the Grand Duchy of Baden — keep without merging
  • Category:1830 establishments in the Grand Duchy of Baden — keep without merging
  • Category:1848 in the Grand Duchy of Baden — keep without merging
  • Category:1849 in the Grand Duchy of Baden — keep without merging
  • Category:1854 establishments in the Grand Duchy of Baden — keep without merging
  • Category:1860 in the Grand Duchy of Baden — keep without merging
  • Category:1865 establishments in the Grand Duchy of Baden — keep without merging
  • Partial Support -- The target should not be "Europe" but "Germany". I forget the precise constitutional history before the establishment of the German Empire, but think that the gap and change in boundaries between the two empires is not enough for us to consider that there was not "Germany" in the intervening period. Possibly, the issue can be resolved by the target being "German states", rather than Europe. I support the deletion of the intervening categories for decades, etc. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:21, 12 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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