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Death of Richard Swanson

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Minor flash-in-the-pan news of the wierd, rightly forgotten…except, of course, on wikipedia. Qwirkle (talk) 21:19, 24 August 2024 (UTC) Qwirkle (talk) 00:14, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Events, Football, Transportation, Oregon, and Washington. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 00:22, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - This was on Wikipedia's main page today, under DYK. So, on one hand, there were enough reviews and checking at DYK for this to be approved on the main page. On the other hand, you want us to delete it as soon as its main page appearance is over. I think if it was notable enough for the main page, then it's notable. — Maile (talk) 01:09, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Notice this is against Wikipedia’s own core principles. Wiki itself is not a useful authority for anything.

And no, this should not have been deleted right after it infested the front page; it should have been dealt with before that. Qwirkle (talk) 01:28, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Notability is not a part of the DYK criteria. Articles getting deleted fresh off of DYK is pretty common. (Even GAN and FAC don't check for notability per se, and both have seen articles deleted at AfD.) -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe) 01:31, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
delete To quote the first nom, which was improperly closed: "minor flash-in-the-pan news of the weird." A human interest story from a decade ago with all the overage in that timeframe. Mangoe (talk) 02:38, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, the editor who closed the previous discussion cited Wikipedia:Speedy keep#6 which allows for such a closure. Articles appearing on the main page shouldn't be tagged for deletion as long as they are on the main page. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:05, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. The only coverage since the immediate aftermath seems to be routine court reporting on the truck driver's trial, all by local papers. WP:NEVENT asks us to look for "enduring historical significance" or, failing that, "widespread (national or international) impact and [having been] very widely covered in diverse sources, especially if also re-analyzed afterwards". Neither of those standards is met here. While tragic, nothing seems to differentiate this case from many, many others of someone dying while doing something somewhat novel and then the resulting trial getting limited follow-up coverage. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe) 06:29, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep based on the potential for a much better article, although judged on current sources this would still be a delete. I'm persuaded by Govvy's link to this Grantland article, which is not currently cited, and which could easily be mined for several paragraphs of content adding both color and significance. That shows reliable source interest going beyond routine coverage.
  I am unpersuaded, however, by Oaktree b's argument that this should be scoped as a biography. Swanson was only notable for the record attempt and particularly for dying during it, and so per WP:BIO1E the article should be framed around that. It doesn't matter that his exact cause of death was routine; that's not how death notability works. There might be a case that this could be renamed to Richard Swanson's long-distance dribbling attempt or something like that, but that would effectively have the same scope, and in any case isn't a matter for AfD. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe) 20:05, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Passes WP:GNG in my view regardless of the event, also is this article suppose to be an biography? Wouldn't it be more correct to have the article re-titled? Also Upjav voted keep before the speedy keep, I would have thought it right to ping the guy. Govvy (talk) 22:53, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I appreciate the tag, @Govvy. I'll review policy again per the responses to Maile since my vote was fairly similar to their vote. Upjav (talk) 23:08, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Death of X" articles generally boldface the person's name in the first sentence, per MOS:BOLDALTNAMES; that doesn't make this article a biography, and if it were a biography it would fail WP:BIO1E. It's an event, which makes WP:NEVENT (generally a higher bar than GNG) the controlling guideline.. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe) 23:41, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: I don't think his death is very notable (getting hit by a motor vehicle), but there might be a story to be told around his life and the attempt to dribble the soccer ball for a long distance... The event of his death isn't notable, but HE might be. As it stands, the articles are about his death, but they all highlight his attempt at the "record" for lack of a better phrase. Oaktree b (talk) 02:20, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I am still confused by the delete votes, you have organisations like The Guardian, BBC, Sky News, and they are are not American publications covering the story, you have a load of sources from American ones. Then you have a really in-depth article by Grantland which is one year on after his death. There are loads of articles online about the event. so from my perspective it easily passes WP:NEVENT, so I rally am not understanding the delete arguments what so ever. Govvy (talk) 12:56, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
He is notable, his death isn't. People get hit by cars daily. Oaktree b (talk) 15:53, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Govvy (talk) 12:59, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - sufficient sourcing. Giant Snowman 19:49, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That is not the issue. Notability is the issue. Mangoe (talk) 20:01, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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