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Article rewrite
[edit]For anyone who is interested, I am going to attempt to rewrite the article in my sandbox, with the goal of getting it back to Good Article status. Although I haven't added much to the draft yet, I plan to rewrite large parts of the page from scratch.
Currently, the article is disorganized, giving undue weight to certain aspects of the fair (e.g. some pavilions have three paragraphs, while other pavilions have a single sentence or even nothing at all). There is a lot that can be said about other aspects, such as food. There are a lot of sourcing issues in the page, including info sourced to blogs and other unreliable sources. It might take me several months to rewrite this page, but I'm hoping to iron out all of the issues that currently exist. – Epicgenius (talk) 21:49, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- I've just rewritten the article last night. The pavilions are now detailed in the 1964 New York World's Fair pavilions article.Epicgenius (talk) 14:14, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
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Decided to take up this review. Given the extensiveness of the article, I will need some time to look over. I also understand your intentions to bring this to FAC soon, so I will try to review this close to the expected standards.--ZKang123 (talk) 09:39, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
Lead
[edit]- Themed to the concept of "peace through understanding", the fair was centered around a stainless-steel model of the Earth called the Unisphere.
- I think either term "theme" or "concept" is redundant, given both carry similar meanings. Would say
The fair had a theme/concept of "peace through understanding."...
- was centered around a stainless-steel model of the Earth called the Unisphere. –
(from above)... and was centered around the Unisphere – a stainless-steel model of the Earth.
- Feel free to also combine the two clauses in other ways.
- I've now reworded this. Epicgenius (talk) 14:37, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- I think either term "theme" or "concept" is redundant, given both carry similar meanings. Would say
- The different sections were designed in various architectural styles, though anyone could host an exhibit if they could afford to rent the land and pay for a pavilion. – I'm unsure how the latter clause is related to the former.
- I split up the two sentences. Epicgenius (talk) 14:37, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- foods from these restaurants –
foods served at these restaurants
. Also I'm not sure if in US English food can be pluralised. Might say "dishes" or something.- Done. (Also, in American English, either "food" or "foods" can be correct, though I just went with "dishes" as that is also correct.) Epicgenius (talk) 14:37, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Exhibitors also displayed sculptures, visual art, and artifacts. In addition, many consumer products were featured at the fair – would just combine the latter sentence to the former. (ie.
Exhibitors also displayed sculptures, visual art, and artifacts alongside other consumer products (by who?)
- I have combined the sentences and added examples of the consumer products. Epicgenius (talk) 14:37, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Though the event was a financial failure that was criticized in the contemporary press –
Though the event was criticized in contemporary press as a financial failure
- Done. Epicgenius (talk) 14:37, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
Development
[edit]- social upheaval in the early 1960s –
social upheavals...
. Given the other events mentioned, I would pluaralise.- Done. Epicgenius (talk) 17:49, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- was the lawyer Robert Kopple – remove "the"
- I rephrased the sentence to "Robert Kopple, a lawyer who...". Epicgenius (talk) 17:49, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- who first discussed the idea of a 1964 fair at a family dinner –
who first discussed the idea at a family dinner
- Done. Epicgenius (talk) 17:49, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- and suggested it... –
before suggesting it...
- Done. Epicgenius (talk) 17:49, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- met with 35 potential financiers at the 21 Club restaurant to ask for funding. – I believe "ask for funding" is already implied when they were already meeting the "potential financiers".
- Good point. It slipped my mind but i have fixed it now. Epicgenius (talk) 17:49, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- to ask that the BIE recognize the fair. –
for BIE's recognition of the fair.
- Done. Epicgenius (talk) 17:49, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- would not give the fair formal recognition –
decided not to give formal recognition to the fair.
- Done. Epicgenius (talk) 17:49, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- world's fairs could run for one 6-month period – I would add "at most" or "only", given I see it's been proposed for the fair to run for two years.
- Done. Funnily enough, the previous fair (1939-1940) ran for two years and did get BIE recognition. I think the two-year rule may have been changed at some point, but it's also just one of several reasons that the BIE chose not to recognize the 1964-1965 fair. Epicgenius (talk) 17:49, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- had tried to request an exemption for the 1964 fair – remove "for the 1964 fair". I think it's obvious what the exemption is for given the article's subject.
- Done. Epicgenius (talk) 17:49, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- The WFC planned to issue $500 million in bonds[27][57] (later decreased to $150 million). –
The WFC planned to issue $500 million in bonds, which were later decreased to $150 million.
- Done. Epicgenius (talk) 17:49, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- The 1964 fair was to be themed to the concept of "peace through understanding" – again I recommend a reword.
- Done. Epicgenius (talk) 17:49, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- most of this cost –
much of the cost
- Done. Epicgenius (talk) 22:24, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- where selected guests could view construction. –
..could view the construction
- Done. Epicgenius (talk) 22:24, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Several hotels were developed nearby – Do you mean hotels nearby were (re)developed or new hotels were built nearby?
- I meant the latter. Epicgenius (talk) 22:24, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- and diverted part of the Flushing River underground. – just curious if this means they were diverted into underground canals.
- Yeah, it was moved into a tunnel. Epicgenius (talk) 22:24, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- By April 1961, thirty-four countries had agreed to... and the city agreed to spend – suggest rewording either "agreed to" to vary the vocabulary a bit.
- Done. Epicgenius (talk) 22:24, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- The WFC finally hired –
eventually hired
- Done. Epicgenius (talk) 22:24, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- but continuing complaints about discrimination prompted New York governor Nelson Rockefeller to form a committee to investigate these complaints. –
but persistent complaints about discrimination... to form an investigative committee into these complains.
Personally I'm also trying to find a way to avoid repetition of "complaints"; if you can find another way to reword/condense this clause, feel free.- I've done this, and I've also reworded the sentence to remove the repeated "complaints". Epicgenius (talk) 22:24, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- not all of these governments –
only some of these governments
. Might mention which governments then were actively developing or otherwise.- The issue is that a lot of governments were developing pavilions by then. Mentioning only a few of them might cast undue weight onto these pavilions, but there are also a lot of countries mentioned in the source. Epicgenius (talk) 22:24, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- exactly a year before the fair was to open, –
exactly a year before the fair's opening
- Done. Epicgenius (talk) 22:24, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- only 48 of the 200 proposed buildings had even started construction,[141] even though all major structures had to be under construction by May 1963 –
only 48 of the 200 proposed buildings had started construction, even though construction for all major structures had to begin/were scheduled to begin by the subsequent month
. I suggest "subsequent month" given "at the time" refers to the date mentioned just before (April 22, 1963)- Done. Epicgenius (talk) 22:24, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- At a luncheon in March 1962, Moses lamented that construction had fallen behind schedule ...Moses denied rumors that construction had fallen behind schedule. – I like the irony. For the latter sentence, maybe attribute a date (July 1963).
- Done. Epicgenius (talk) 22:24, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- There were also disagreements over whether students should receive discounted tickets, which Moses opposed;[149][150] he was ultimately forced to sell discounted tickets. –
Moses opposed selling discounted tickets for students but was ultimately forced to (by whom?).
- Done. Epicgenius (talk) 17:49, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Tbh I don't exactly like the Moses guy at this point haha. If I recall he was the same guy who ripped up the NYC streetcars right?
- Yeah, he basically ripped up entire neighborhoods to make way for highways, and was infamously against public transit. He also had his hands in a half-dozen NYC government agencies, so his legacy is pretty controversial. Epicgenius (talk) 17:49, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- the Chicago Tribune wrote that –
...reported that
. Also wikilink The Chicago Tribune.- Done. Epicgenius (talk) 22:24, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- they sought to demolish a pavilion that would not be completed for the fair's opening. – something about this phrase is a bit awkward. Maybe it should be
that would not be ready..
?- Done. Epicgenius (talk) 22:24, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- before the fair opened –
before the fair's opening
- Done. Epicgenius (talk) 22:24, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Quite some interesting details so far. But also curious: are there reasons for the construction delays? Like, funding and supplying issues?
- Basically, yeah. I did not initially go into details about the construction delays because each pavilion was delayed for different reasons, and the info is spread out across a dozen sources. But I will look further into this on Thursday. Epicgenius (talk) 00:08, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Try then to give a broad overview; some common challenges faced by most pavilions and note prominent examples.--12:21, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Basically, yeah. I did not initially go into details about the construction delays because each pavilion was delayed for different reasons, and the info is spread out across a dozen sources. But I will look further into this on Thursday. Epicgenius (talk) 00:08, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
More to come.--ZKang123 (talk) 09:39, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
Opening
[edit]Continued.
- a college student from New Jersey was the first visitor –
the first visitor was a student from New Jersey
. I think emphasising on the first visitor is important. - Many exhibitors did hire a racially diverse staff – change "did hire" to "hired"
- One pavilion, the Belgian Village, was not finished –
... was not completed
to prevent repetition of the previous. - for part of 1964 –
for part of that year
- at least 6.7 million foreign visitors, out of an estimated – remove comma
- the WFC employed only about 180 to 200 people directly. –
the WFC only directly employed about 180 to 200 people.
- Allied Maintenance was responsible for maintenance and also handled deliveries during the 1964 season (the Rentar Corporation took over deliveries during 1965). –
Allied Maintenance was responsible for maintenance and also handled deliveries during the 1964 season, but was later replaced by the Rentar Corporation in the following year.
- Exhibitors were required to be open –
...to be opened
. Or "to operate"- I have done all of these. For a few of these points, I used a slightly different wording. Epicgenius (talk) 14:45, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
Fairground
[edit]- at the center of the fairground, near the Unisphere – remove comma
- Done. Epicgenius (talk) 14:45, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- were concentrated in the International Area, a group of pavilions – I recommend the use of an en-dash or em-dash
- Done. Epicgenius (talk) 14:45, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- on the eastern end, near the – remove comma
- Done. Epicgenius (talk) 14:45, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- For the most part, structures were designed –
Most structures were designed
- Done. Epicgenius (talk) 14:45, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- if they could afford to rent the land –
if they could afford the land rent
- Done, with slightly different wording. Epicgenius (talk) 14:45, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- None of the state governments had to pay rent for the pavilion. State governments still had to pay for their own pavilions – Here it seems confusing. I understand it's stated earlier that people have to pay rent for the land and build their own pavilions. I suggest rewording to make this clearer.
- Yes, you are correct, and I used the wrong word. I have clarified this. Epicgenius (talk) 14:45, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- most of which featured foreign countries' exhibits –
most featuring exhibits from foreign countries
- Done. Epicgenius (talk) 14:45, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Including nations represented by a particular region[b] the fair featured attractions from 80 countries. – this sentence is rather awkward
- Fixed. Epicgenius (talk) 14:45, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Other countries boycotted the fair because the BIE had not approved it – from the source title alone it's stated the UK, Italy and France boycotted the fair. Would make a mention as examples.
- Done. Epicgenius (talk) 14:45, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- they also paid for lodging, food, and other expenses for their staff. –
...paid for staff lodging, food and other expenses.
- Done. Epicgenius (talk) 14:45, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- did host unofficial exhibits –
hosted unofficial exhibits
- Done. Epicgenius (talk) 14:45, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- The Industrial Area had 43 pavilions in total, – "in total" is redundant.
- Removed. Epicgenius (talk) 14:45, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- The 1964 fair included few companies in the food... –
...included a few companies from the food...
- In this case, only a few companies from these industries participated in the fair. I've reworded this accordingly. Epicgenius (talk) 14:45, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- invited every major sect of Christianity to the fair. – I'm partly curious if the Latter-Day Saints also had an exhibit.
- You mentioned at the start of this subsection that Some pavilions used experimental designs, but I would actually like to know a few examples.
- I have added two examples. Five are cited in the source, but there's also an entirely separate article on the pavilions themselves, where this is discussed. Epicgenius (talk) 14:45, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Some exhibits were never built – suggest listing a few which didn't turn up.
- Done. Epicgenius (talk) 14:45, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- The fairground had 28 mi (45 km),[183] 39 mi (63 km),[213][c] or 40 mi (64 km) of paths.[2] There were also numerous plazas. – suggest combining these sentences.
- Done. Epicgenius (talk) 14:45, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
Culture
[edit]- WFC rules officially prevented the fair's officials from influencing the design or contents of any exhibits, although in practice, WFC officials had a significant impact on the contents of exhibits. – this sentence is rather repetitive. Maybe could be condensed into:
While WFC rules officially prevented the fair's officials from influencing the design or contents of any exhibits, they still retained a significant impact on the exhibits' contents.
- Done, plus I also changed the "officially prevented officials" wording. Epicgenius (talk) 17:57, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- the Brass Rail firm – is firm part of the name? If so, shouldn't it be capitalised?
- "Firm" is not part of the name. Epicgenius (talk) 14:45, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- was supposed to have operated – do you mean
was supposed to operate
? - and the Brass Rail instead – remove the article.
- Done. Epicgenius (talk) 17:57, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- while the Malaysia pavilion served Tiger Beer and satay. – lol Malaysia serving our drinks eh? Wait... this was the year before Singapore's independence lol.
- Funnily enough, I didn't even realize Tiger Beer was a Singaporean drink till quite recently. But yeah, that's what the Malaysia pavilion apparently served. Epicgenius (talk) 17:57, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Moses should just chill really. And banning rock-and-roll? Lol
- Ok, got my answer for the LDS pavillion.
- The Mexico pavilion displayed art during the 1965 season as well – would also mention what art is also displayed given you earlier stated examples for the UAE and Sudan. I guess from the source title it's Aztec art. Perhaps also those by Frida Kahlo?
- I added a little more context to the Mexican art. Funnily enough, work by Kahlo's husband Diego Rivera was displayed at the fair, but not work by Kahlo herself. Epicgenius (talk) 17:57, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- and the Ford Mustang was launched just before it was displayed at the fair. –
...before its display at the fair.
- Done. Epicgenius (talk) 17:57, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
More to come.--ZKang123 (talk) 12:21, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
Operation
[edit]- Attendance declined significantly in September,[248][381] when children returned to school. – I think the comma is unnecessary
- Removed. Epicgenius (talk) 14:05, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Several reasons were cited – cited by whom? Would clarify
- Done. Epicgenius (talk) 14:05, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thomas Deegan said several existing – I think you mentioned Thomas Deegan earlier before in the article given I remembered you mentioned a Deegan (Thomas J. Deegan).
- It's actually the same guy, so I just removed his first name. Epicgenius (talk) 14:05, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- and Deegan's public-relations firm (which had received $300,000 annually for four years) was fired. – is it because of the high pay that they were fired?
- Basically, yes. After the city controller launched his investigation, the WFC itself realized that it was overpaying Deegan's firm even though it didn't have enough money to reopen the fair in 1965. Epicgenius (talk) 14:05, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Would clarify this bit.--ZKang123 (talk) 11:16, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Done. Epicgenius (talk) 17:30, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Would clarify this bit.--ZKang123 (talk) 11:16, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Basically, yes. After the city controller launched his investigation, the WFC itself realized that it was overpaying Deegan's firm even though it didn't have enough money to reopen the fair in 1965. Epicgenius (talk) 14:05, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- In contrast to 1964, there were no protests when the fair reopened –
Unlike the 1964 opening ceremony, no protests occurred at the fair's reopening
- Done. Epicgenius (talk) 14:05, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- putting many exhibitors in danger of bankruptcy –
...many exhibitors at risk of bankruptcy
- Done. Epicgenius (talk) 14:05, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comparatively few visitors attended during evenings –
Fewer visitors came during the evening
- Done. Epicgenius (talk) 14:05, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- I half-wonder which is correct: "compared with" or "compared to"?
- I think it might be both, actually. Epicgenius (talk) 14:05, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- By August 1965, the WFC was devising plans to clear the fairground after the fair –
...the WFC was preparing/planning to clear the fairground...
- Done. Epicgenius (talk) 14:05, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- spending nearly all of its funds on expenses incurred before and during 1964. – what sort of expenses?
- Unfortunately, the source doesn't specify. I assume it was operating costs (such as salaries) and maintenance costs. Epicgenius (talk) 18:26, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- The writer Robert A. M. Stern –
A writer Robert A. M. Stern...
- I changed it to "Architect and writer Robert A. M. Stern" because he is an architect too. Epicgenius (talk) 18:26, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- The New York Times wrote that the fair had underperformed expectations in part because of... – The New York Times partly attributed the fair's underperformance to...
- Done. Epicgenius (talk) 18:26, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
Aftermath
[edit]- I personally think the "site clearing" and "remaining structures" subsections could be merged given they cover and mention both the demolition and relocation of pavilions.
- These sections were kept separate because some of the pavilions were relocated. However, I've converted these into subsections of a new section named "Site usage". Epicgenius (talk) 18:26, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Alright. The rewritten subsection flows better.--ZKang123 (talk) 11:16, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- These sections were kept separate because some of the pavilions were relocated. However, I've converted these into subsections of a new section named "Site usage". Epicgenius (talk) 18:26, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- to turn the fairground to a park. –
to turn the fairground into a park.
- Done. Epicgenius (talk) 18:26, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- for an 1989 World's Fair on the site, marking the 1964 fair's 25th anniversary. –
...to mark the 1964 fair's...
- Done. Epicgenius (talk) 18:26, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Profits from the fair were to have been used – something about "were to have been used" is a bit awkward
- I have changed it. Epicgenius (talk) 18:26, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- many industrial exhibitors were loath to sponsor – I'm not so sure about the phrase "were loath to sponsor". Like, they don't wish to sponsor?
- That is correct. I've reworded "loath" to "reluctant". Epicgenius (talk) 18:26, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Expo 67 officials also sought positive press coverage for their fair, a significant departure from Moses's approach. – I suppose this "Moses' approach" is basically him being stubborn and brushing away the criticisms and blaming the press when things didn't go well? (would clarify a bit specifically)
- That's also correct, and I've changed this. Epicgenius (talk) 18:26, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
Impact
[edit]- Wikilink Disneyland
- Done. Epicgenius (talk) 18:26, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- and large number of attractions were overwhelming to visitors. –
and the overwhelming number of attractions for visitors
- Done. Epicgenius (talk) 18:26, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- ostentatious world's fair – is the word "ostentatious" lifted from the source?
- It is not, so I've removed it. Epicgenius (talk) 18:26, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- I would shift the earlier brief commentary of the architecture to just before that paragraph of the architecture.
- Done. Epicgenius (talk) 18:26, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- To think of it now, how did the fair really live up to its motto "peace through understanding"? Is there some commentary on what the motto means and how it's selected?
- It did not really live up to its motto - for the most part, many of the largest countries were absent, and the fair mainly focused on commercial attractions instead of international and state exhibits. I've added a sentence about how the motto was selected. Epicgenius (talk) 18:26, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- and that it had highlighted Flushing Meadows–Corona Park. – I find there's something dangling here. Why is the park highlighted? Like, is it due to the successful restoration?
- I have added a little context (basically, highlighting the park as an attraction in itself). Epicgenius (talk) 18:26, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
Image review
[edit]A combination of historical and contemporary photos are used for this article.
- File:New York World's Fair August 1964.jpeg – I'm not sure of its copyright status: The source link showed its under a non-commercial creative commons license. Although an archived version showed that it's under Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 2.0 Generic.
- Generally, I think we rely on the license that the image had when it was uploaded to Wikipedia, since previous licenses can't be revoked even if the license is later changed. In this case, it was licensed under CC-BY-SA 2.0 at the time it was uploaded to Wikipedia, so that license is still valid. Epicgenius (talk) 18:26, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Understood. Thanks for the clarification.
- Generally, I think we rely on the license that the image had when it was uploaded to Wikipedia, since previous licenses can't be revoked even if the license is later changed. In this case, it was licensed under CC-BY-SA 2.0 at the time it was uploaded to Wikipedia, so that license is still valid. Epicgenius (talk) 18:26, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- File:6405 NY World's Fair 16 1964 (51190787295).jpg, File:6405 NY World's Fair 6 1964 (51189014682).jpg, File:6405 NY World's Fair 3 1964 (51190488619).jpg, File:6405 NY World's Fair 9 1964 (51190488249).jpg check out (from Flickr under CC2.0)
- File:1965 new york world fair.jpg, File:Fountains, NY Worlds Fair '64.JPG, File:Terrace on the Park - Flushing Meadows, Queens, NYC.jpg, are under public domain
- File:Entrance to 1964 New York World's Fair.jpg – copyright here is also unclear. Did the uploader had permission from the tourist to upload it to commons?
- I have swapped out the image. Epicgenius (talk) 18:26, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Map images are licensed under the terms of the No known copyright restrictions.
- File:Wisconsin Pavilion, Neillsville.jpg checks out
- File:255-CC-65-HC-223, front.jpg is by NASA, under public domain
- File:NY World's Fair '64 - Les Poupees de Paris (ut) - Flickr - PLCjr.jpg is by the same uploader of the lead image, but this one is def under CC2.0
- File:Berlin Pavilion.jpg claims to be self-photographed, although there's no exif data. I shall assume good faith it's indeed their photograph.
- The source for File:New York Worlds Fairgrounds.jpg is a little unclear. No author information (I have higher suspicion for commons uploaders which are redlinked)
- I have swapped out that image as well. (Incidentally, I went to Flushing Meadows Corona Park today, but I forgot to take a picture of both of these structures. Maybe I can do that next time.) Epicgenius (talk) 22:27, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- File:Unisphere in summer.jpg checks out.
That's all for prose and image comments. Would do a source review later.--ZKang123 (talk) 06:34, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- @ZKang123: Thanks for the comments so far. I've addressed all of the concerns you brought up. Epicgenius (talk) 22:27, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Source review passed.--ZKang123 (talk) 09:57, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
Source review
[edit]- Earwig mainly flags names of organisations or places (e.g. New York World's Fair, Bureau International des Expositions, Queens Museum and the New York Hall of Science)
- Generally sources are from New York Times (reliable source per Wikipedia:RSP), other commentary published by universities or local agencies regarding the fair planning and inception.
- Crosschecking per this revision.
- Ref 1 ("Flushing Meadows Corona Park: World's Fair Playground") checks out for each claim. Though for the "66 (80 including nations without full exhibits)" in the infobox, might cite where the 66 number is from (I know it's probably stated somewhere down in the body).
- Done. I just noticed that I accidentally said that there were only 65 nations at one point in the article, but I forgot about the United States' own pavilion. Epicgenius (talk) 17:30, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Ref 19 checks out
- Red 139 is missing author information (Milt Freudenheim). (please double check for other news sources given this would be further scrutinized at FAC stage)
- I have done this for the other newspapers.com clippings, where I had to input the authors manually. For the other citations, I copied the authors directly from the source, or they were autofilled by a citation tool. Epicgenius (talk) 17:30, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- (I wonder if it should be newspapers.com or Newspapers.com. The low-capitalised is a bit weird. Would leave this for FAC)
- I tend to format these as lowercase, but I'm fine if they're capitalized as well. Epicgenius (talk) 17:30, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- There aren't newspapers.com clippings for other news articles (e.g. Ref 202, 206, 485, 499)? How did you access them though? (Btw, given this is a GAN, I won't be requesting for all offline sources, but I just want to know).
- Basically, there were a bunch of sources such as Newsday that were available both on ProQuest and newspapers.com. For other sources, like the Austin Statesman, I could only access them through ProQuest. I will probably add more newspapers.com clippings before I send this to FAC. However, both the newspapers.com clipping and the ProQuest ID are basically convenience links and aren't technically required in order for people to verify the citation (for example, someone could probably access the same newspapers at the Queens Public Library). Epicgenius (talk) 17:30, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Ref 198 ("World's Fair, Film Co. Sign Contract") checks out.
- Ref 255 (Your Guide to the Fair, p19) checks out.
- Ref 282 brings me to a link with "usamodernist.org"
- I added
|via=usmodernist.org
. Epicgenius (talk) 17:30, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- I added
- Ref 286: The link on fountains bring me to worldsfairphotos.com by Bill Cotter. Is he a reliable source? The website seems like a fanpage to me.
- He is a historian who has written several books about world's fairs globally. Nonetheless, I've replaced this source. Epicgenius (talk) 17:30, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- I suppose for Ref 355 "marvels ranging from microwave ovens" is to support the claim in the article: "introduced and showcased many consumer products". Ref 356 checks out.
- Basically, yeah, this is the info that Ref 355 is supposed to verify. Epicgenius (talk) 17:30, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Ref 503: Would add via Issuu. Also from my understanding of the provided page (p71) it noted the layout (Beaux-Arts plan) is retained, but didn't mention the names.
- I've done this. Also, I didn't notice the thing about the street names. There aren't any street signs in the modern-day park, at least as far as I can tell (all of the paths are technically unnamed now), so I've removed that bit. Epicgenius (talk) 17:30, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Ref 506: Like Ref 1, use publisher parameter. Title could be: Flushing Meadows Corona Park – Garden of Meditation. Or just Garden of Meditation.
- Oops. I've fixed this. Epicgenius (talk) 17:30, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Ref 575: Remove "See for example" in name parameter. Also is it really just "NJ" or does it stand for something?
- I've done this. The name of the website is literally NJ.com, which is the shared domain for a dozen newspapers in New Jersey. Unfortunately I can't tell which of these newspapers originally published the article, but in general, most of the articles on nj.com appear in several of these newspapers. Epicgenius (talk) 17:30, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Ref 1 ("Flushing Meadows Corona Park: World's Fair Playground") checks out for each claim. Though for the "66 (80 including nations without full exhibits)" in the infobox, might cite where the 66 number is from (I know it's probably stated somewhere down in the body).
That's all the issues I find in my spotchecks.--ZKang123 (talk) 09:57, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
Putting article on hold.--ZKang123 (talk) 11:16, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks again ZKang123. I have fixed the remaining issues you pointed out. Epicgenius (talk) 17:30, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
Did you know nomination
[edit]- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Bruxton talk 15:11, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- ... that the organizer of the 1964 New York World's Fair canceled a set of popular rock-and-roll concerts because he hated the genre? Source: Tirella, Joseph (2013). Tomorrow-Land: The 1964–65 World's Fair and the Transformation of America. Lyons Press. pp. 240–241.
- ALT1: ... that the organizer of the 1964 New York World's Fair blamed "a bunch of clowns in Paris" for not approving the fair? Source: Tirella 2013, pp. 40–41.
- ALT2: ... that at the 1964 New York World's Fair, Chrysler, Ford, and General Motors alone accounted for $110 million worth of exhibits? Source: "Big 3's World's Fair Costs Will Reach $110 Million". The New York Times. April 5, 1964.
- ALT3: ... that despite lagging attendance at the 1964 New York World's Fair, its organizer rejected nearly every suggestion to increase attendance? Source: Tirella 2013, p. 268.
- ALT4: ... that one magazine called the 1964 New York World's Fair "the ultimate marketing bonanza of [its] time"? Source: Yarbrough, John F. (June 1996). "Fair Game: Yesterday's Dream, Today's Collectibles". Sales and Marketing Management. Vol. 148, no. 6. p. 26.
- ALT5: ... that the most popular day of the 1964 New York World's Fair was its final day? Source: "World's Fair Closes as Financial Flop". Los Angeles Times. October 18, 1965. p. 12.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/WHEM (FM)
Epicgenius (talk) 15:01, 17 June 2024 (UTC).
Article passed GAR in the last seven days and meets length requirements. Article is article is well-sourced, neutral, and copyvio-free; only pings on Earwigs are for some long proper titles. QPQ has been completed. Hooks are interesting, cited, and short enough for DYK; AGF on offline sources. I think ALT0 and ALT1 are the strongest hooks. Morgan695 (talk) 17:16, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Good work on the GA Epicgenius. i contributed to the article some time ago and I see that got condensed. All good. Bruxton (talk) 15:08, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
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