Talk:Adam Worth

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The relevant paragraph in the Ben Macintyre article is:

Many years ago, I wrote a book about a Victorian crook called Adam Worth, a subject so obscure that no one had ever written a book about him before, or since. When I found an entry for Worth on Wikipedia, I was at first astonished, then flattered to find the book cited in the references, and then slightly infuriated: whoever had written the entry had plainly read my book and summarised it, but added several small but irritating errors.

Author does not explain what the "several small but irritating errors" are. mervyn 12:44, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes. That's his point. And referring to him as "author" won't tug at his good nature and extend his patience. NickyMcLean 21:51, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

but the article implies that he fixed the mistakes doesnt it? --Astrokey44 10:19, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Well the history of the entry doesn't suggest as much. Actually it seems like he implied that he was slightly infuriated not only because of the errors but because it was simply a summary of the book, without any other information.

I actually find surprising that the book is not fictional (I own it, in spanish), since it's kinda weird that Worth did so much stuff but there isn't much written about him, except for the book 201.252.49.161 04:53, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

By the way, based on the history of the page, he has corrected nothing and lied ;) --Bombastus 15:07, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

I do not know what was lied about, but it does seem that this article was hurriedly written and seems to contain many things that are not referenced. There was also some junk, which I have removed. But, as it says at the top of the page, this article needs to referenced (and IMHO rewritten). JHvW 13:36, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

Impossible chronology

It says that when Bullard went with worth to Europe in 1871, he took an identity as a "Texas Oilman", except that there were no Texas oil men until 30 years later. 68.113.154.147 (talk) 13:49, 29 March 2009 (UTC)Derek Ward

Also, we are told that after the end of the civil war [in 1865] he became a pickpocket, ran a gang of pickpockets, organised robberies, was caught, tried, imprisoned, escaped, and began working for Mam Mandelbaum; and all before "he expanded into bank and store robberies around 1866." That's one heck of a busy year! Chuntuk (talk) 09:55, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

The not "unknown" Adam Worth...

Something which seems to have been overlooked, and should be mentioned in the article I think, is that Worth was *not* forgotten or unknown: he was played on screen in 1976 by Michael Caine, no less, in the film "Harry and Walter Go To New York". Ben McIntyre fails to mention this rather obvious fact in his book, I hope because he was unaware of it doing his researches, rather than because it would have shot down his theme of "I discovered this forgotten man that nobody else knows about...", which predicates the whole work. Jock123 (talk) 17:57, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Change to short cite style for Macintyre book

I changed the short cite style on the in line citations mainly to add chapters. The reason for this is that there are at least three different publishers in the first publishing year- one each for UK, Canada, and USA. I am guessing that the book originally used for the in line citations was the UK publications. I, however,have access to the American version, which is off by exactly two pages when I check citations on this article. It would be silly to change all page references, especially since I believe the current reference list is for the original publishing state/country. But to help people with other versions of the work, I added the chapters to the inline to at least get everyone closer to what they would be looking for. Thus, my going off of general short citation practice with regard to adding Chapter reference.

However, I then added last name to conform more with general short cite practice. I also removed the short title for the same reason, since only one of Macintyre's works is cited in this article. Use of cite book template was simply a personal preference. — Preceding unsigned comment added by InMyHumbleOpinion (talk • contribs) 23:09, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Speedy editing?

I was surprised by the narrative holes in this article. (who is Bullard? how did Worth got arrested?). I went and see the French version of the page, who was probably a direct translation from the English one, and the story seems more complete. Can someone check if whole sections of this page were deleted? Thank you. Sir John Falstaff (talk) 20:54, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

Macavity's not there (now)

I've removed two mentions of Macavity, the Mystery Cat from this article - one for Eliot's original and one for the Webber musical. Whilst it's true that the Cats character is based on Eliot's poem, and Eliot's cat is (to some degree) based on Moriaty, and Moriaty is based on Worth. It's too much of a stretch (imo) to say that Andrew Lloyd Webber was thinking about Worth when producing his musical moggy. Chuntuk (talk) 09:55, 20 September 2017 (UTC)