Talk:Architecture of Turkey

Need help with pictures

I created a heading "21st century" because later I will link to Greenhouse_gas_emissions_by_Turkey#Buildings and either extract or write a few words. Could someone more knowledgeable than me move any pics of 20th century buildings back out of the 21st century section or write here which they are? Chidgk1 (talk) 09:25, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

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Historical scope of the article

This article is extremely unusual among those of its kind in covering only the post-1923 period of the Republic of Turkey instead of a more comprehensive history of architecture created by Turkish people. For instance, the articles for French architecture, Architecture of England, and Iranian architecture — notwithstanding the inconsistent naming scheme apparent in this article type — each respectively provide an overview of the architectural history of the lands occupied by the respective nation/country/culture. This takes the form (as in the French case) of correlating the architecture of that nation ethnocultural roots thereof (the Gallo-Romans), or, if the scope of the article is instead defined in terms of the contemporary borders of a given country (as in the case of England), of covering the continuous architectural history of the various ethnocultural populations of that land.

Notwithstanding the insurmountable historiographical debate on the primacy of 'national' continuities in architectural history, it is clear that this article should be adapted to recount either a pre-Turkish history of the architecture of successive Anatolian civilizations with a subsequent and lengthier discussion of Seljuk, Ottoman, and 20 - 21st dentury Turkish architecture, or a pre-Seljuk history of Turkish architecture (which is scant, given the nomadic nature of pre-Anatolian Turkic peoples) followed by the aforementioned Post-1071 discussion. I shall suggest to expand the article in the former direction, mostly to summarize and link the much more comprehensive articles on the history of Turkish architecture. — yaguzi (talk) 05:50, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Essentially agree with the first option, but more generally: the article should simply provide an overview of all historical architecture in the territory of present-day Turkey, as most equivalent country-specific articles elsewhere do (e.g. see Architecture of Denmark for a GA article of this type). This is also the scope used in the Turkey article itself (in the architecture section, not to mention the history section and the associated History of Turkey article).

The emphasis should still be on providing more detail for the post-Ottoman/Republican-era architecture, simply because that topic is not covered anywhere else and thus deserves a full treatment here. The earlier stages should be summaries per WP:SUMMARYSTYLE, although ideally with a focus on the heritage present in Turkey (e.g. Roman architecture is a much wider topic, but we can focus here on an overview of Roman sites in Anatolia).

If helpful, I actually have short summaries already written in my sandbox for the Seljuk and Ottoman eras, intended for eventual improvements to the Turkey article that Bogazicili had suggested to me a short while back. In their current form, they could easily be copied here and then lightly expanded as needed. R Prazeres (talk) 06:33, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Also agreed. I hadn't realized the sorry state of this article, because I was busy with others. But many Turkey-related articles are in horrible quality, with Wikipedia:Systemic bias. The history sections need to be in WP:Summary though so modern issues can be discussed with adequate space, such as earthquake preparedness. But the prose is only 1,878 words, so there's lots of space. Bogazicili (talk) 07:30, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

To be specific, I think the article should have an history section with 4 subsections: Prehistory, Antiquity, Roman and Byzantine empries, Seljuk and beyliks period, and Ottoman sections. Other Turkic architecture in Central Asia etc can be mentioned in Seljuk and beyliks period. And then the current version of the article should be under Contemporary period. This is similar to Architecture of Denmark that R Prazeres mentioned. Bogazicili (talk) 22:00, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

That sounds right, although with an Ottoman section also in there I assume? R Prazeres (talk) 21:44, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Oh yes lol, thank you! I had meant to include Ottomans of course, but was distracted with several articles. I fixed it above. Bogazicili (talk) 22:00, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

I'm assuming we have a reasonable consensus on this. I'll add some brief summaries for the Seljuk/Beylik and Ottoman eras as mentioned above, and I'll adjust the lead to reflect the scope we intend to use here. I'll leave the pre-Seljuk eras for others. R Prazeres (talk) 01:55, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

I've also added brief sections on Greco-Roman heritage and Byzantine architecture. They're short and rough, feel free to add and/or revise. R Prazeres (talk) 03:38, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

Images

There are too many images in the body. They can be at the end of the article per WP:GALLERY. An example is Women's_suffrage_in_New_Zealand#Gallery We can organize the gallery by sections Bogazicili (talk) 22:10, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

I think the galleries can be reduced in size, especially by reducing repetition (e.g. multiple images of the same building). I do recommend keeping the galleries in the body, however, located in their respective sections or subsections. I think the spirit (if not the letter) of MOS:IMAGELOC and WP:GALLERY discourages having large gallery-only sections at the end of an article, and just personally I think these are less useful. R Prazeres (talk) 22:28, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Sounds good, you are more experienced than me in architecture articles. There doesn't seem to be any FA-Class country architecture articles, so hard to find an example in Wikipedia . Architecture of Denmark does use it in the body. Bogazicili (talk) 22:34, 27 May 2024 (UTC)