Talk:British Rail Class 185

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The discussion on the naming convention for British rolling stock is now at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (British railway locomotive and multiple unit classes). Thryduulf 21:58, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Photographs

Is there really any need for three photographs of the 185 from exactly the same angle, at exactly the same station, in exactly the same position? I reccomend we remove two of them and just leave the one at the top in place. --93.96.216.79 (talk) 21:06, 27 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes I agree seems a bit pointless really. Year1989 (talk) 16:31, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

125mph???

Are these units 125mph capable? Dont think they are as when they are to be put on the WCML wouldnt they run at 125 then? Year1989 22:50, 15 Sep 2007 (UTC)
top speed of 100mph but soon to become 4 car sets —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.108.112.196 (talk) 08:36, 2 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Eh? Maximum speed is 100mph, and AFAIK there's no concrete plans to extend these units. Although there's many million other wikipedia users out there to correct me. - 79.66.119.53 (talk) 19:30, 28 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think the small note at the bottom of page 10 of http://www.rgsonline.co.uk/Rule_Book/Rule%20Book%20Modules/SP%20-%20Permissible%20Speeds%20and%20Speed%20Restrictions/GERT8000-SP%20Iss%203.pdf may cover this? (And the "citation needed" re: not being allowed to run at Sprinter Class ("SP"?) speeds because of the higher axle weights, i.e. poorer route availability and more stringent running conditions - something which has forced slower running upon even mainline expresses before) 77.102.101.220 (talk) 02:18, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(Additional)--- i.e. Sprinters would be those such as the class 170/171s, with about 45t/car and about 1300hp all up... vs over 55t per car for the 185, but 2000hp as well. I doubt any of them would make 125mph as they would only be rated and geared for 100, acceleration and hill climbing being far more important on commuter and transpennine routes than pretending to be a super-high-speed intercity express. Most DMUs/EMUs will struggle to break 90 in typical service, maybe 75 on the faster bits of commuter routes, accelerating constantly out of one station for a while then immediately braking for the next. 77.102.101.220 (talk) 02:25, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

tidy

article tidied, rearranged, dead links and excess images removed, added new sections. etc

Some good images would be nice - interior views etc... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.102.43.12 (talk) 23:53, 10 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

operations section 2nd paragraph

British_Rail_Class_185#Operations : "To be able to run..."

This didn't make any sense to me.. I left it in just in case - can anyone explain what that bit is about , or just change the wording so it makes more sense. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by FengRail (talk • contribs) 23:57, 10 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Commons images

Hi. Just to let you know, the Commons category for Class 185s is now completely sorted by operator and livery. -mattbuck (Talk) 14:59, 27 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Possible change to the title of this article

This article is currently named in accordance the Wikipedia:WikiProject UK Railways naming conventions for British rolling stock allocated a TOPS number. A proposal to change this convention and/or its scope is being discussed at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK Railways#Naming convention, where your comments would be welcome.

Removed

This:

it was suggested in 2008 that eight-carriage units will be needed by 2014.

"The development of the December 2008 rail timetable within Greater Manchester" (PDF). Greater Manchester Passenger Transport Executive. 1 Feb. 2008 (PDF). {{cite web}}: |archive-url= requires |archive-date= (help); Check date values in: |date= (help); Text "archivedate" ignored (help)

I got an archive version and can't find anything about 2014 - also some stuff is better dealt with in the franchise article (and linked to)

Same goes for electrificaion :

However, in 2009 further electrification of lines in North West England was announced, including the Manchester to Preston Line, currently the missing link for electric services between Manchester and the North. On completion of electrification, TransPennine services between Manchester and Edinburgh / Glasgow will be operated by a new build of four-car 110mph Class 350 Desiro electric multiple units. The Blackpool Branch Lines will also be electrified, enabling Manchester-Blackpool services also to switch, though this will be after the end of the current TransPennine Express franchise. Electrification will enable the diesel stock currently used on these services to be transferred to other services, likely eliminating the need to order new diesel carriages.^[1]^[2]^[3]

Here's another bit that doesn't actually really fit:

To free up stock for services between Manchester Airport and destinations in Scotland, First TransPennine Express dramatically decreased the frequency of the Manchester Airport to Windermere route from 9 December 2007.^[4] This means that 185s are now used on the relatively short journeys of Preston to Windermere, approximately one hour in length, and the shorter journey of Oxenholme to Windermere of twenty minutes.^[5]

I get that there was a service change but extra stuff about short journeys doesn't really say anything. I think this might be better dealt with on the articles about the lines themselves. For now I will just remove the second bit. (which is WP:OR too)

When the units are cascaded it becomes relevant, but this would be better mentioned in the article on the routes or franchises.

I combined the elements contain information on passenger journeys, trimed other parts, added a little info to others.Prof.Haddock (talk) 03:33, 12 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ West Coast Main Line route utilisation strategy, Network Rail.
^ "Britain's Transport Infrastructure: Rail Electrification" (PDF). Department for Transport. 2009. {{cite web}}: Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help)
^ Rail Passengers in the North of England and Scotland to benefit from new trains - First TransPennine Express. Retrieved 2012-03-16.
^ "Mid Cheshire Rail Report No. 68". Mid-Cheshire Rail Users Association. June 2006. Retrieved 2008-06-16.
^ "Cumbria and Scottish Services Timetable 18th May – 7th September 2008" (PDF). First TransPennine Express. Archived from the original (PDF) on June 25, 2008. Retrieved 2008-06-04.

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What are the trains TOPS numbers?

Can someone compile a table of the TOPS numbers (185xxx) and their linkage to operators? Thanks SageWater (talk) 19:52, 1 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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References 12, 13, 14 and source 4

In regards to References 12, 13, 14 and source 4, we are saying it goes to a franchise agreement for the Transpennie Express franchise from 2003, as it turns out the PDF the link leads to is a 2015 version of the that franchise agreement.

Can we please find the 2003 version of that franchise agreement? As we as using it to back up information, information that the 2015 agreement can’t back up. Maurice Oly (talk) 01:03, 20 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

[1] West Coast Main Line route utilisation strategy, Network Rail.

[2] "Britain's Transport Infrastructure: Rail Electrification" (PDF). Department for Transport. 2009. {{cite web}}: Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help)

[tpexpress-3] Rail Passengers in the North of England and Scotland to benefit from new trains - First TransPennine Express. Retrieved 2012-03-16.

[4] "Mid Cheshire Rail Report No. 68". Mid-Cheshire Rail Users Association. June 2006. Retrieved 2008-06-16.

[5] "Cumbria and Scottish Services Timetable 18th May – 7th September 2008" (PDF). First TransPennine Express. Archived from the original (PDF) on June 25, 2008. Retrieved 2008-06-04.

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