Talk:Elizabeth Mary Wells

A fact from Elizabeth Mary Wells appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 25 December 2022 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that after amputating the same limb six years earlier, Elizabeth Mary Wells fitted a girl with a prosthetic arm for Christmas?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2022/December. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Elizabeth Mary Wells.

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: rejected by BlueMoonset (talk) 01:50, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This is an odd case: it had previously been passed and then promoted for a December 25 run, but was pulled from the main page at 13:02 UTC after having been on the main page for over 13 hours. Under the circumstances, having such an extensive run (more than nominations running when we're promoting two sets per day), this is being closed since it really shouldn't have been reopened, and currently has issues that persist. The original creator was a college student who hasn't edited in a month and a half, and whose class ended over two weeks ago.

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... that Elizabeth Mary Wells fitted a girl for a prosthetic arm for Christmas, having cut it off six years earlier?
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Joseph Stephen Paduano
- Comment: for Christmas

Moved to mainspace by Lauraosull (talk). Nominated by Kingsif (talk) at 23:54, 20 December 2022 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Article is new enough and long enough, is neutral and is plagiarism free. Hook is cited and interesting. QPQ is done. However, in terms of sourcing - the majority of those mentioned seem to be primary sources from the Church Missionary Society (which I can't access), and one secondary source Europeans in East Africa (which is about her husband). I'm concerned that although the article is well-written and detailed, it depends too much on primary material which does not necessarily establish her own notability. (I am loathe to say this, as most of the pages I start are for women!) I think to approve it, I'd need to hear which of the Church Missionary Society sources contribute to her notability, not just background to her life. Also, the page needs to be de-orphaned, there's two citations missing, the quotes need attributions, and it needs some categories adding. Lajmmoore (talk) 10:10, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Lajmmoore: While I looked over the article and am confident of two independent sources for GNG, I don't have any knowledge of the sources you ask about. The article is a WikiEd product that the student is still working on, and I don't want to mess with their "work" until their class is over. It is a stupid system, but at least we have a well-written article in this case. I, separately, don't think being an orphan or uncategorised is a barrier to DYK. But if there are outstanding issues, I probably can't address them. Happy for this to be closed if that's the case, and I'll either find another article to nom or ask to use another of mine for the Christmas set. Kingsif (talk) 18:42, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Kingsif - which were the two sources you'd identifed for GNG? (In hope I can change my mind!) I just looked at the toolkit the new editors are given, and they don't get told about article categories or de-orphaning, so I can see better why that's not been done. The course page says the final week ended 10 December, so I think we can help and it be OK - @Helaine (Wiki Ed):, @Brianda (Wiki Ed):, @Ian (Wiki Ed):, @Breamk: what do you think? Lajmmoore (talk) 10:09, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Just leaving a tag for @Lauraosull: & the message I left on their talk page here. If you could leave a note on the sources that prove notability here, that would be great! Lajmmoore (talk) 14:10, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Lajmmoore: In this edit I note which sources I thought fit, but also that the urls are all student-user log-ins, and are time-restricted. Needs work, there, too. Kingsif (talk) 00:27, 24 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Kingsif I can now approve the hook - Laurosull explained (on the talk page & on her usertalk) that three of the sources supported notability, so I am much more confident in the sourcing of the article now. Good to go. Lajmmoore (talk) 08:08, 24 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Reopened due to incomplete sourcing and notability concerns.[1] Gatoclass (talk) 13:50, 25 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I have given it a very thorough copyedit. The only outstanding issue is the same thing I mentioned the first time, @Lauraosull:; that many of the refs point to urls that are student-login blocked (i.e. if you used school access and just copied the url, nobody else can see it). Is it possible for you to re-access the sources and change the refs to have general bibliographic detail (how you would cite it in a term paper) - preferably including page numbers where the sources are long or detailed. Kingsif (talk) 05:29, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Kingsif, Lauraosull has not edited since December 23; the assignment was over at that point, and the class ended on January 23. At this point, I think we have to assume that there's nothing more coming from that corner. If the nomination cannot proceed without Lauraosull's further participation, I think it will have to be closed. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:57, 8 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  - Kingsif, I just checked the history here, and when Gatoclass pulled the hook on December 25, it had already been on the main page for over 13 hours. If it had been a few hours, that would have been one thing, but it had more time on the main page than every hook that's run on a two-set-per-day schedule. It had its time, and shouldn't expect to get any more. I'm closing this immediately. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:50, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! I am the student who wrote this article and I just wanted to clarify a few things. First, the assignment was already due, so feel free to many any edits you think would be necessary (I can also try to help fix them myself). For some source clarification, I just wanted to explain which sources I think contribute to Dr. Hooper's notability. The Church Missionary Society source entitled "The Mission Hospital" (source #4) is a source written by Mrs. Bacon (M.B., CH.B). An entry in the course is an "In Memoriam" dedicated to Mrs. Hooper and her work. The entry outlines her opportunities as a student, her impressive work at Jilore and Kahuhia, and her impact at Kennaway Hall. Another CMS source "Mercy and Truth" from 1913 again notes the very promising work being done at the Kahuhia hospital by Dr. Hooper as well as outlines all the details of the station and the cases treated there. Another CMS source from the same series of "Mercy and Truth" from 1912 talks about the wide influence that Dr. Hooper's work and hospital were able to have through the amount of people treated and distances reached. The other Mercy and Truth links have similar descriptions. I'm not sure if these details help or not, but I thought they would be good to mention. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lauraosull (talk • contribs) 11:12, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Wiki Education assignment: Medical missionaries to Community Partners

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 31 August 2022 and 30 December 2022. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Lauraosull (article contribs).

— Assignment last updated by Cassandra Owei (talk) 15:22, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sources

There are problems with several of the sources of this BIO. I am surprised that it was approved for Wikipedia. Xxanthippe (talk) 22:26, 24 December 2022 (UTC).[reply]