Talk:Henry K. Van Rensselaer

Article intro

It is my hope, contributors should agree the intro ought to remain for the most part 'as is' but corrections, additions, corrections, clarifications, etc. are encouraged.

I will agree that it is irregular for a biography have a 'short' about about their father. I feel that it helps two things.

• Sort of helps readers put themselves in this guys shoes surrounded by kin, one can only imagine.
• It will help researchers; This family branch re-used names and have switched orders of names that makes for a confusing journey sorting through the Philips Kiliaens and the variations on Hendrick which 'grampa Kiliaens' fathers' name is Hendrick but he is not included as of yet in the intro.

So I tried as best I could to be informative to both of those areas yet I concentrated on being brief.

Any help towards research on Henry's Nephew: Philip P who is son to Philip K Anything on the web seems to be rather elusive.

No references and no content

This article has no references to the subject. It lists two references which do not mention him. The Fort Ann article has no Hendrick at all, the out-of-context (and thus becoming nonsensical) quote from Schuyler is referenced to a van Rensselaer family genealogy which has no "Hendrick Kiliaen". It has an image without any connection explained in the text. I propose this for deletion. No notability anyway. Kraxler (talk) 03:58, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

try the citation again only this time try ctrl+F typen in "Hend" hit enter 2 times you should find.."One of his sons, Colonel Hendrick Van Rensselaer, was directed by General Schuyler to go in company with Colonel Long to hold the enemy in check at Fort Anne until the cannon and armament of Fort George could be removed to a place of safety. The English under Colonel Hill were in pursuit of the patriots from Lake Champlain up Wood creek" — Preceding unsigned comment added by JGVR (talk • contribs) 08:35, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

Wrong again Bob. I am assuming THIS is the genealogical chart that you could not find him??

11 [535] Henry Kiliaen VAN RENSSELAER 1744 - 1816 Age at death: 72

If jumping to conclusions were a sport you would be in awesome shape I'd bet.......JGVR (talk) 09:37, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

JGVR (talk) 09:41, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

The genealogical chart is NOT mentiuoned in the article, beside it states " 11 [535] Henry Kiliaen VAN RENSSELAER 1744 - 1816 Age at death: 72" NOT "Hendrick". Can you see the difference between "Henry" and "Hendrick"? Or is it all the same? This is an encyclopedia, not a blogspot.

The article gives info about other persons, but does not say anything about what Hendrick/Henry did at Fort Ann. I'll take this discussion to the proper place. Kraxler (talk) 13:47, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

You may have overlooked the history page of the Battle of Fort Anne the commander Henry van Rensselaer) the only change I made to THAT page was the capped "V" and linked it. You might want to contact the person who claimed there was a commander van Rensselaer and see what they say?? ;)

as per your advice I changed Hendrick to Henry (thank you) JGVR (talk) 18:21, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

I only know the subject as the regimental commander of a relative who fought in the Revolutionary War.

However, to address your naming concerns, please all keep in mind that this is the Hudson Valley, a major part of what used to be New Netherland. That deep Dutch influence far outlived the British conquest of 1664. All those Reformed Dutch Churches still wrote their records in Dutch in the Revolutionary era. Many people still spoke Dutch in everyday life: Martin Van Buren, though our 8th President, was the first one US-born who just happened to speak English only as a second language having been born in Kinderhook, NY - a Dutch speaking enclave. It's not a surprise that many Hudson Valley residents were baptized by, and generally called by, their Dutch names. In this case, it's "Hendrick". When the scribe was English, then the English version was used, "Henry". There's no right or wrong, just context. That's why you find him variously recorded in the records. And you should see the way people wrote "Rensselaer"! You'll also find family variations with the way "van" is treated. My "van der Voort" ancestors are found using "Van der Voort", "van Dervoort", "vander Voort", and "Vandervoort" (there are other versions). Again, no right or wrong, just context.

This book, Van Rensselaer family, refers to him as "Hendrick Van Rensselaer (called Henry K.). . ." http://archive.org/details/vanrensselaerfam21spoo

For an interesting aspect of the Dutch history of the place, read about Rensselaerswyck. It was a large area that was deeded by the Dutch West India Company to Kiliaen van Rensselaer as a patroonship. It was a semi-autonomous government within New York State that lasted until about 1845! The Anti-Rent War ended Rensselaerswyck when the farmers who worked the land revolted against the system. All the best, Wordreader (talk) 08:57, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

his son

Solomon Van Rensselaer I thank whoever brought to my attention that it was not the continental congress for either of the van Rensselaers...JGVR (talk) 10:20, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

Golly

If this ain't the proper place what is? I thought this was supposed to be a collaborative effort and it seems you do not really want to be helpful ... only critical. It sure would be grand to get some real help from an experienced editor...JGVR (talk) 21:33, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

First you move the page to "Henry", and then you change the name in the intro to "Hendrick" appending a source which states "Henry" as his name. The obvious conclusion to be drawn from this strange behavior is that you are a troll and/or a sockpuppet. Evidence for the latter is the fact that you registered two years ago, have a total of about 800 edits (most of them clueless), but did not have a talk page until two weeks ago. I think I will ask some admin to have a look at this, and take the appropriate measures. Kraxler (talk) 22:30, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

maybe they will notice your abusive attitude through nearly every single edit you make (which are 99% petty capitalization edits) and all the snide comments that went along with them all instead of using the talk page and discussing things. With your experience are you blind to the fact that I am new at this and you create a nearly intolerable environment to welcome newbies?? The outcome should be interesting.....JGVR (talk) 22:38, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

Oh and the source that I removed was to YET ANOTHER Henry that may well be deserving of an article....I'm the bad guy for changing Hendrick to Henry on YOUR ADVICE?? ....so when I found a source that plainly says BOTH Henry & Hendrick I am the dirty dog because.... what i only changed the intro and not the article title BACK TO WHERE IT WAS???

Show them this too so they can see how welcoming and helpful you are

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard#An_apparent_stalker .... JGVR (talk) 22:53, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

Now you claim to be a newbie, having registered in October 2010? Just stop trolling. Kraxler (talk) 01:47, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

I feel like a "newbie" myself because of complexity of the site that I have yet to conquer. If someone leveled this amount of venom at me, I would find it withering. Isn't there a directive here to "Wikipedia:Assume good faith"? Being awkward or even confusing in one's posts doesn't make one a troll. Wordreader (talk) 09:10, 21 February 2013 (UTC)