Talk:Hurricane Dennis
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[edit]Please upload images to commons (if possible), and add [[Category:Hurricane Dennis]] to them. That category is linked from the article, and has a reasonable amount of content at the moment. — jdorje (talk) 22:27, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
tc link
[edit]It's not particularly obvious that "storm" links to tropical cyclone in the intro. Maybe we should change the text to "named tropical cyclone"? — jdorje (talk) 23:34, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
- Hmm, except that it may be wrong since subtropical cyclones get named too, in which case the link from "storm" is also wrong (or at least misleading). So maybe the "storm" link should just be dropped and the link should come from "hurricane". — jdorje (talk) 23:35, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
0.5 nomination
[edit]This article is considered to fall outside the scope of the Version 0.5 test release, since this version only includes a limited number of articles. It is now being held ready for renomination for a later version such as Version 1.0. Jaranda wat's sup 07:02, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
Death toll
[edit]That indirect total may not be entirely accurate. It's source is a FEMA site that was made shortly after the disaster. Reports at that time were sketchy at best. We might want to find another, more recent source to back that up. The National Hurricane Center lists only the indirect toll for the US, which is twelve. -- §HurricaneERIC§ archive 18:29, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
Todo
[edit]Aftermath. íslenska hurikein #12 (samtal) 15:10, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
Removal of Dennis Rainfall Image
[edit]Is there a particular reason the new color filled rainfall image for Dennis was removed? I've been noticing a slow elimination of the rainfall images from Wikipedia, and Dennis was the latest victim. If there was a flaw with it, let me know. Thegreatdr 21:08, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
- Umm, that was the result of vandalism [1]. We appreciate your work :) By the way a number of images may have been deleted from Wikipedia; as they are migrated to Commons:.--Nilfanion (talk) 21:14, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
- Ok. They remain online at this site if they need to be downloaded again. Thegreatdr 21:21, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
Too many images
[edit]I think this has too many images now. Its time to make galleries. Good kitty 17:17, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
NWS reports
[edit]- Mobile/Pensacola report
- New Orleans, LA report
- Birmingham, AL report —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hurricanehink (talk • contribs) 15:33, August 30, 2007 (UTC)
- Huntsville, AL report
- Little Rock, AK report (monthly summary w/ impact pic)
If not done so already, these should be included in the article. Hurricanehink (talk) 17:34, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
This is pretty impressive
[edit]Not only was Dennis the first major hurricane to strike the US prior to August since Audrey in '57, it was also the first major hurricane to strike the US in July since 1916. That's nearly 90 years without a major hurricane striking the US in July. Woodrow Wilson was president, the US was a year from entering WWI, women couldn't vote, daylight savings didn't exist and income tax was a new idea. That's pretty remarkable. Check the Best Track, you'll see that I'm right. -- HurricaneERIC - Class of '08: XVII Maius MMVIII 22:27, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
Damages
[edit]Where does the $1.4 Billion in Cuba come from?.Jason Rees (talk) 20:28, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
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See Also:
[edit]Please change
[[List of wettest tropical cyclones by country#Cuba]]
to
[[List of wettest tropical cyclones by country#Cuba|List of wettest tropical cyclones in Cuba]]
Thank you
🌀HurricaneGeek🌀{talk ⋅ contribs}} 17:51, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
- Be bold, you can do it :) Hurricanehink mobile (talk) 18:06, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
- It's done! 🌀HurricaneGeek🌀{talk ⋅ contribs}} 18:58, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
Idea - merge all of the sub-articles but the met. history?
[edit]- The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
- The result was: merge all sub-articles. Users came to a consensus and as a result, OP went ahead with the merge. ~ Sandy14156 (Talk ✉️) 03:00, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
I took a look at this article, and it's a shame that it's only start-class, because most of the content only exists in the sub-articles (effects of Hurricane Dennis in...) - the sub-articles are mostly pretty good, which made me curious what it would look like if they were all combined. Presenting:
With barely any editing, I combined all of the sub-articles and put the information in the respective sections. It's under 8,000 words, which is the point when you might want to split off an article. That's why I kept the met history out of it. That's easily the most scientific and wonky part of an article, but unless you're a meteorologist, you might not care about all of the minor twists and turns and why they happened. Otherwise, I think the proposed draft with all of the areas merged in looks very good, like how you'd expect a featured hurricane article to look. Does anyone have any thoughts? Pinging @Juliancolton: since you wrote a few of the effects articles. I wanted to gauge some thoughts before formally proposing merging seven articles. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 21:47, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support - effects articles should be reserved for the most impactful and damaging storms (Sandy, Katrina, etc.) For a storm like Dennis, its page is kinda short since the majority of the impacts are in sub articles that were made in the 2000s. MarioProtIV (talk/contribs) 22:13, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
Support all except Florida and Jamaica since they have the most information with over 50 textual citations. The rest can and should be merged, but merging all of it does risk the article being overly bloated. Downerr2937 (talk) 23:46, 30 June 2024 (UTC)— Downerr2937 (talk • contribs) is blocked as a sock puppet of Andrew5 (talk • contribs). ChrisWx 🌀 (talk - contribs) 20:34, 14 July 2024 (UTC)- Hey Downerr2937 (talk · contribs), check out the draft I posted. I included all of the info from both of those places. Parts that are bloated can always be rewritten a bit for organizational flow. Jamaica is only four paragraphs, and five for Florida. This is without having done almost any editing to any of the sections, other than combining a few sections. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 23:52, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
The draft is 48 kilobytes of prose, which is permitted by WP:SIZERULE. That being said, it also has WP:DUE weight problems, and while the Florida portion of it is fine, I think the Jamaica portion of it gives it undue weight compared to the impacts in Haiti. Thus, support a merger for all subarticles except Effects of Hurricane Dennis in Jamaica, which I think should remain. Downerr2937 (talk) 12:28, 6 July 2024 (UTC)— Downerr2937 (talk • contribs) is blocked as a sock puppet of Andrew5 (talk • contribs). ChrisWx 🌀 (talk - contribs) 20:34, 14 July 2024 (UTC)- @Downerr2937: - I reorganized the Jamaica information a bit, trimming it down to two paragraphs. There were some lengthy bits that didn't add much, like specifying the airport name in Kingston (which wasn't even the location of the strongest winds). I streamlined other information so it wouldn't be so long. What do you think now? ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 19:54, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Hey Downerr2937 (talk · contribs), check out the draft I posted. I included all of the info from both of those places. Parts that are bloated can always be rewritten a bit for organizational flow. Jamaica is only four paragraphs, and five for Florida. This is without having done almost any editing to any of the sections, other than combining a few sections. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 23:52, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
OK I have formally proposed merging all of the sub-articles. The draft, listed above, shows how the article would look merging the effects articles in. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 19:14, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support per discussion, note also that while the main article here gets ~5,700 views/month, the splitted off sections get ~50-220 views/month, which is significantly wasted potential --TheImaCow (talk) 18:53, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support per above ZZZ'S 19:00, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support - The article after merging the sub-articles isn't too long and this will greatly help it be more detailed to be viewed by more people. ~ Sandy14156 (Talk ✉️) 22:48, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
Seeing no major opposition, I'm going to go ahead and start doing this. Thanks everyone for the feedback. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 18:00, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
To do list to improve Dennis back to good/featured article status
[edit]Now that all of the sub-articles are merged, the Dennis article covers a lot more information. It's much better than where it was at before, but still could use work, such as:
Expand lead- More for Cuba
More for inland United StatesStreamline and summarize Georgia information- Longer term aftermath for Cuba and Florida coast
♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 18:57, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- Also, all of the images need to be checked. The FEMA images need properly working URL's, I just noticed. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 20:00, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- The lead has been expanded. We can mark that off the to-do list. Also, should we promote it to GA first? ZZZ'S 21:57, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Awesome, struck that. And yea, the same issues will affect GA or FAC, like dead links. So once the article is stable and closed to finished, it'll go to GAN before FAC. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 22:04, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- I think the article might merit the B-class assessment. I'm unsure about the sixth criteria of WP:B?. Let me know what you think so I can change it if necessary. ZZZ'S 22:14, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- My biggest worry is long term aftermath, something that likely isn't covered right now. For example, Cuba's Energy Revolution, or rebuilding/aftermath along the panhandle. Cuba's impacts need to be expanded too. Those are the biggest things holding back the article right now. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 22:19, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- All right. I'll reevaluate the article once those problems are addressed. ZZZ'S 22:22, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- My biggest worry is long term aftermath, something that likely isn't covered right now. For example, Cuba's Energy Revolution, or rebuilding/aftermath along the panhandle. Cuba's impacts need to be expanded too. Those are the biggest things holding back the article right now. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 22:19, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- I think the article might merit the B-class assessment. I'm unsure about the sixth criteria of WP:B?. Let me know what you think so I can change it if necessary. ZZZ'S 22:14, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Awesome, struck that. And yea, the same issues will affect GA or FAC, like dead links. So once the article is stable and closed to finished, it'll go to GAN before FAC. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 22:04, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Just want to check on your progress for this articles, what tasks you completed, and other issues that need tackling before nominating for GA status. ZZZ'S 04:10, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- There are still 66 deadlinks (if not more) that need to be replaced. Otherwise, I'm still working my way through Florida and the rest of the US, and expanding a bit to make sure there's nothing important missing. Because of there being so many dead links, I had to restart from scratch, and I've found more info to add to the article. A lot of the links were predictable, like NCDC or anything with Associated Press. So this one might take a little bit. The GA's that were merged are almost entirely made of broken links. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 04:48, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Alright. I'll continue to repair the source links for the files, then grammar check each section once you're done expanding. ZZZ'S 04:48, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- All of the images have a working link. In addition, I've went ahead and added alt text. They may be a bit on the long side, but I'm sure you can condense them. ZZZ'S 23:15, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Awesome, thanks for doing that. While working through the article, I'm trying to streamline where I can, keeping the existing info and expanding when I can, and only give specific examples of location damage if they're particularly interesting or unique. As for sections that are done, I'm finished with the US other than Florida. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 02:07, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- All of the images have a working link. In addition, I've went ahead and added alt text. They may be a bit on the long side, but I'm sure you can condense them. ZZZ'S 23:15, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Alright. I'll continue to repair the source links for the files, then grammar check each section once you're done expanding. ZZZ'S 04:48, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- There are still 66 deadlinks (if not more) that need to be replaced. Otherwise, I'm still working my way through Florida and the rest of the US, and expanding a bit to make sure there's nothing important missing. Because of there being so many dead links, I had to restart from scratch, and I've found more info to add to the article. A lot of the links were predictable, like NCDC or anything with Associated Press. So this one might take a little bit. The GA's that were merged are almost entirely made of broken links. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 04:48, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
Nomination for deletion of Template:Hurricane Dennis series
[edit]Template:Hurricane Dennis series has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 19:03, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
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