Talk:Hurricane Rafael (2024)

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Damage in Colombia

I found a source that may have impacts in Colombia associated with Rafael. The dates add up and the Central American Gyre is not mentioned at all. The region would also make sense. I was hesitant to add it though, so I want to see what others think. Here's the link: Santa Marta in emergency due to rains: avalanche flooded part of the city, buried vehicles and left several people injured - Infobae Shmego(talk) 17:40, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Santa Marta seems quite far away from Panama so I am not too sure. ✶Qux yz ✶ 00:24, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

On 2024 Atlantic hurricane season, it says Rafael impacted Columbia, tho Joseph Ca98 (talk) 00:34, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

~~The storm may have had minimal ipacts in Columbia Rizzler97628 (talk) 00:39, 6 November 2024 (UTC)~~[reply]

The seasonal article is not the authority of listing impacts. ✶Qux yz ✶ 01:16, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's what I was thinking, but the storm also impacted Jamaica rather early. I think we should add it for now. Pinging @Drdpw for his opinion. Shmego2 (talk) 00:42, 6 November 2024 (UTC) (Shmego's alt)[reply]

I will defer to others, it may be precursor-Rafael, or may be the local media assuming it to be, don’t know. Drdpw (talk) 01:31, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The article doesn't directly state that it was Rafael, though. It attributes it to downpours in the short term and deforestation in the long term. ✶Qux yz ✶ 01:35, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think we could include it. Quxyz, the article would not mention that it was Rafael because Rafael has not formed then. It would have been its precursor which also affected Panama. Shmego2 (talk) 01:43, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I guess I am ok with it. Something just feels unsatisfying. My biggest concern is mostly violating WP:OR but in the short term, I'll allow it to be added. ✶Qux yz ✶ 01:46, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I agree, but I think we may need a couple more hours until we start rapidly updating the article. We could get Columbia's impact down, and then wait for the next intensification. I do want @Hurricanehink's opinion though. Joseph Ca98 (talk) 00:48, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

On the side of thoroughness, keep the information about the precursor for now, pending additional verification, but if the TCR in the future doesn't mention the precursor system, then it should get removed. This is why we could use yearly flood articles. I don't want the info removed from Wiki, but I don't think those floods should have their own article. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 18:57, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 6 November 2024

It has been proposed in this section that Hurricane Rafael (2024) be renamed and moved to Hurricane Rafael.

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Hurricane Rafael (2024) → Hurricane Rafael – This Rafael has already quintupled (septupled with missings) the deaths attributed to 2012 and is likely to trump it in damages too after it landfalls in Cuba and the United States. ✶Qux yz ✶ 01:45, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support - per nom Shmego2 (talk) 01:45, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Extremely Strong Support - yeah, don't think I need to explain as it is already self-explanatory with the death toll as of 0200 utc 11/6 Iseriously (talk) 01:58, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support - per nom, deaths not high. Ampil ^{(Ταικ • Cοnτribυτιοns)} 02:14, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wait until Rafael impacts Cuba. Those deaths are due to the precursor disturbance, not Rafael itself. Tavantius (talk) 02:16, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

By tomorrow afternoon, Rafael would have made landfall in Cuba. I doubt that this discussion will close before then. ✶Qux yz ✶ 02:28, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Support It just strengthened to a Category 1 Hurricane, it seems good now to rename it Hurricane Rafael. Deuxde (talk) 02:35, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose for now. Having more deaths does not necessarily make it more notable. Wait until the amount of coverage is definitively known to be more than other Rafael's. WP:PRIMARYTOPIC is the governing policy ehre.--Jasper Deng (talk) 03:02, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wait for now. It's way too early to warrant a move at this moment. Stareiglace (talk) 04:09, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, for now – it is too soon to say whether Rafael 2024 rates WP:PRIMARYTOPIC distinction, and too much is unknown about the connection between the Panama–Colombia flooding deaths and proto-Rafael. Drdpw (talk) 04:29, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait - way too early to move the article as there are still more countries that Rafael has not impacted yet. Haruka Amaranth 05:50, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wait - if Rafael did extreme damages in Cuba or possibly US then we should change this anyway Crominance (talk) 09:31, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wait - It does appear to be strengthening, but it's too soon to call. EF⁵ 13:37, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wait - Give it like two days or by the time its back down below a hurricane, then it should be considered. ImAdhafera (talk) 15:11, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support: NHC now has it becoming a major at Cuba landfall, and Rafael could be significant for Cuba. AwesomeAndEpicGamer (talk) 15:24, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose for now – as per the replies above, It's still too early to say whether its primary topic or not, It hasn't impacted Cuba. SomeoneWiki04 (talk) 15:33, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strong support, Rafael is already at Category 3 major hurricane status. 🍋 🍋(talk!) 18:14, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@LemonJuiceIsSour: Category 3 is hardly remarkable and has no bearing on WP:PRIMARYTOPIC.--Jasper Deng (talk) 18:32, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I mean when the competitor is a Category 1, it certainly has some weight that it is landfalling as a major hurricane. But I would be careful citing that as evidence as PRIMARY though as it would be borderline C3 if it does landfall as one. ✶Qux yz ✶ 20:07, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wait. Will likely change to support later. Wildfireupdateman (talk) 18:19, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wait. I support the move; however, this system is still active so it'll have to wait. tai (he/him) (talk) 21:28, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wait until it passes through Cuba. Since it is a major hurricane, impacts will likely be major and that could support a name change. Could also cause some impacts to the Florida Keys as well, so wait until Rafael has passed through before making a decision. Thehurricaneman (talk) 21:54, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wait a few days, then move it BombCraft8 ^{(talk) (contributions)} 23:12, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I support! CyclonicStormYutu (talk) 00:25, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Would you be able to provide a reason for your support? Shmego2 (talk) 00:45, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Shmego2 here. You should always give a reason for your support. 🍋 🍋(talk!) 00:50, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wait per above. --_ZZ^Z 'S 01:50, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wait It has already made landfall in Cuba, but the damages will take a while to be accounted for. It's not a C5 or C4 landfall for it to be urgently changed right away Bugnawfang (talk) 14:25, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cayman Compass URLs

The Cayman Compass is reusing URLs for separate news stories. Archive URLs should probably be looked into. ✶Qux yz ✶ 14:48, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jamaica deaths

/Not sure about this, but this article by the Jamaica Observer talks about two bodies washed up in Saint Catherine Parish. Should they be mentioned? Tavantius (talk) 21:49, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

They are likely(?) the two people noted in the article as missing. Drdpw (talk) 21:55, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]