Talk:Lake Worth Beach, Florida/GA1

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Reviewer: Vaticidalprophet (talk · contribs) 04:50, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Picking this up. Vaticidalprophet 04:50, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Vaticidalprophet Per this and this (both WP:CWW from December 2021), this GA review should be quick failed. Diannaa explained to 12george1 in May 2021, and I reinforced in December the proper way to copy within. My message was almost a month ago, and yet I see no {{Copied}} templates on the article's talk page. There may be more unattributed copying within in this article, and having found multiple instances of same from 12George1, it would be helpful for them to start on the cleanup. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:10, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Sandy. I was just about to run a copyvio check -- that, well, saves me some time. Will look into this case further. 12george1, I'll quickfail this for now per Sandy's copyright comments; a full review can be run at a later date, for a non-copyvio article, if you properly read and internalize WP:Copying within Wikipedia and perform what Sandy and Diannaa are asking of you. Vaticidalprophet 15:12, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, 12george1. The {{Copied}} templates have been correctly added now. If 12george1 can attest that those are the only instances of copying within, and that there has been no copying from public domain sources (requiring a {{Pd-notice}} be added to the citation), a new GAN can move forward. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 11:21, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

12george1 I have completed the null edits necessary to attribute WP:CWW in the article history, and am placing those samples here for your future work:

[[WP:PATT]]: content partially copied from [[Palm Springs, Florida]] as of revision [[Special:Diff/1059399471|1059399471]] with [[Special:Diff/1059399471|this edit]] and [[Special:Diff/1059662389|this edit]]; refer to that page's [[Special:PageHistory/Palm Springs, Florida|edit history]] for additional attribution
[[WP:PATT]]: content partially copied from [[Palm Springs, Florida]] as of revision [[Special:Diff/1055370287|1055370287]] with [[Special:Diff/1055504436|this edit]] and [[Special:Diff/1055501774|this edit]]; refer to that page's [[Special:PageHistory/Palm Springs, Florida|edit history]] for additional attribution

To do the same on other articles, you can just copy the edit summary above, alter the diffs and pages to whichever article you are working on, and enter that as an edit summary with a null edit. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:35, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm willing to reopen this review to assess the full criteria if the copyright issues are resolved. I'm currently doing another GAN review, plus a FAC review, but I'll do my best to be reasonably prompt. Vaticidalprophet 16:42, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

12george1 can you add the null edit summary, using my example above, for the “Effects of … “ WP:CWW? As I am getting used to doing that, I’ve found it helpful to first compose the edit summary in sandbox. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:18, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Great, thanks, now you’ve got it! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:06, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that should it be now. Aside from that one, I don't believe there were any more instances of copying from an article other than the Palm Springs articles, which I have already accounted for. I haven't been able to load Earwig's Copyvio Detector, but the results from Duplication Detector between the Lake Worth Beach and Palm Springs articles only show other similarities between things like ref titles, section headers, and common phrases (e.g. "by a narrow margin", "which opened in", "in the early 1970s", etc.).--12george1 (talk) 19:22, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Grand! Unwatching now, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:52, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for getting that handled, 12george1. I'm willing to begin a full review now -- will just fix the template on the talk page to reopen it, if you're happy to. (Of course, I could also put it back in the nominations list if you'd prefer.) Will endeavour to get it all done within a couple weeks if you're willing. Vaticidalprophet 14:48, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, Vaticidalprophet, I want to resume this review--12george1 (talk) 04:32, 16 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Great -- will get a start on it over the next couple days. Vaticidalprophet 04:50, 16 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Full review

Separating out the full review into its own subsection now those issues are fixed. Vaticidalprophet 04:50, 16 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Lead

I'm not sure why the town's name is italicized in Residents voted to change the official name to Lake Worth Beach in 2019.

Fixed--12george1 (talk) 05:12, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Lake Worth Beach is one of the most ethnically and racially diverse municipalities in Palm Beach County. As a result, several cultural events are hosted annually in the city, including a street painting festival, several ethnic festivals, and Palm Beach Pride, one of the largest LGBTQIA+ pride festivals in Florida. The association here isn't direct (diversity doesn't directly lead to festivals, though they can correlate), so "as a result" is probably unnecessary.

Done--12george1 (talk) 05:12, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

History

Prior to incorporation

Among the city's first non-indigenous settlers were Samuel and Fannie James, an African American couple and reported to be ex-slaves, known as the Black Diamonds, who settled on the shores of the Lake Worth Lagoon near the current 5th Avenue South in 1885. This sentence is quite long and goes through a few different ideas. It might be worth separating out a bit. You could cut the current sentence after "Samuel and Fannie James", then with a new sentence of "The Jameses were an African American couple reported to be ex-slaves, who were also known as the Black Diamonds", then get into the area they settled and the inaccurate statue.

Done--12george1 (talk) 05:12, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

A stone monument dedicated to the Samuel and Fannie James doesn't need 'the'.

Done--12george1 (talk) 05:12, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

After Samuel's death in 1909, Fannie sold her remaining 156 acres (63 ha) to the developer, Palm Beach Farms company is the first introduction to 'the developer', so there's no need for the comma after 'developer'. I'm also unsure about lower-case 'company'. If the name of the company is Palm Beach Farms Company, it should be upper-case; if the name is simply Palm Beach Farms, then the fact it's a company is assumed by 'the developer' and doesn't need to be mentioned that way.

It should upper-case. Fixed--12george1 (talk) 05:12, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Are there any sources discussing how a black woman felt about selling her land to a developer whose charter required segregation? Would be interesting, if so.
would also receive a small, 25 by 25 ft (7.6 by 7.6 m) lot -- no need for this comma.

Done--12george1 (talk) 05:12, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Incorporation to the Great Depression

a small, African American neighborhood similarly doesn't need a comma.

Fixed--12george1 (talk) 05:12, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Additionally, William A. Boutwell arrived in the area in the 1920s doesn't need the 'additionally'.

Fixed--12george1 (talk) 05:12, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Boutwell also owned a grocery store and masonry supply store and served as a Lake Worth city commissioner from 1924 to 1927 and briefly as vice mayor is a long run-on sentence. It may be worth seeing if it could become multiple sentences, or if adding commas could make it more readable.

Split into two sentences--12george1 (talk) 05:12, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The hurricane caused approximately $4 million in Lake Worth is missing words -- presumably "worth of damages" or similar?

Done--12george1 (talk) 05:12, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

World War II to present

During a period of neglect and decline between the 1970s and 1990s, Lake Worth, in the words of then-city commissioner Dennis Dorsey, "had become known as the skin-flick capital of the country." -- MOS:LQ

Fixed--12george1 (talk) 05:12, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The "X" in "X-rated" should be capitalized.

Done--12george1 (talk) 05:12, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The name change is interesting, but currently only barely mentioned. I read the cited source, and it discussed it in much further detail, including speculation on whether the name change was caused by the crime rates of similarly-named nearby communities. It would be worth expanding on this, its speculative causes, and the expected consequences with that source and with any others discussing it.

Expanded. The other major reason for support for the name change was that adding "beach" to its name could attract tourists--12george1 (talk) 20:23, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

More to come. Vaticidalprophet 02:33, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Broadly happy with the edits being made. Further sections:

Geography

Additionally, the municipal beach section borders Palm Beach, while the city is also just east of Palm Springs. 'Additionally' and 'also' are generally superfluous (keep an eye out for them throughout the article -- they both have many uses they don't necessarily need), and I don't think they're required here.

Fixed--12george1 (talk) 20:23, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Of the 59 structures, 46 are classified as contributing and the other 13 are considered non-contributing. Is this "contributing to the NRHP listing"? If so, I'd recommend making that clearer.

Done--12george1 (talk) 20:23, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Demographics

An estimated 24.4% of residents in 2019 were considered impoverished,[72] more than twice the countywide average of 12.0% and far above the Florida average of 12.4% My first thought is to read "far above" as meaning even higher than "more than twice". This is a tricky one -- you could say "almost twice", but that'd be repetitive. See what alternative phrasings work.

Does "nearly double" work?--12george1 (talk) 20:23, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Lake Worth Beach had the largest concentration of Finnish people in the world, outside of Finland doesn't need a comma.

Done--12george1 (talk) 20:23, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Economy

Why does the Publix have an address listed?

Fixed--12george1 (talk) 20:23, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

the most common home other destinations should probably swap 'home' and 'other' around, but is a bit of an odd phrasing even aside from that. I'm not sure 'destinations' is the appropriate word here. "The most common other residencies", maybe?

Done--12george1 (talk) 20:23, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This economic growth has continued, even during the fallout related to the COVID-19 pandemic. I'm not comfortable with the use of this source for this statement. It's a fairly strong claim (that the city has escaped a massive economic crisis unscathed) cited to a rather promotional/puff-y local news piece.

I think I'll just get rid of it--12george1 (talk) 20:23, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The Gulf Stream Hotel, which has been closed to the public since 2005, has also been proposed for renovation in order to reopen it, which voters strongly approved in March 2020. -also, and do we have numbers for the vote?

Removed "also". The ballot initiative was referred to as question 3 and the official results show it being approved by a margin of 81.82%-18.18% (3,408 to 757). I wish I could find that info all in one place, but I have to use two sources--12george1 (talk) 20:23, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Government

Similar, the mayor, who presides over the city commission, also serves in three-year terms, but is elected by voters citywide. This sentence is somewhat awkward -- I think the solution is to remove "similar".

Done--12george1 (talk) 20:23, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Why does the city hall have an address listed?

I had it listed in the History section (to notate old city hall location to current location), but that level of specificity probably isn't necessary here--12george1 (talk) 20:23, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Is there anything we can give about the history of party affiliation here? It looks to be a pretty strong Democratic district now. Has it always been that way? Is there any analysis of the factors leading it to be so (I assume ethnic diversity plays a role)? Florida is quite a politically complex state, so it'd be of interest.

Culture

The Cultural Council for Palm Beach County referred to Lake Worth Beach as "A Multicultural Mecca for the Arts". This is a non-independent source, so using it for what amounts to a promotional tagline strays into POV. This should probably be cut -- the next sentence is an acceptable introduction, if you move the organization's name into there.

Done--12george1 (talk) 20:23, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Several art galleries are located in downtown Lake Worth Beach, according to the Cultural Council for Palm Beach County. "According to"? It's true or it isn't -- we don't need the second clause of this sentence.

Done--12george1 (talk) 20:23, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"This includes" should be "These include".

Fixed--12george1 (talk) 20:23, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Of note, the Lake Worth Playhouse was founded in 1953. The fact it's "of note" is covered by the fact it's mentioned at all.

Done--12george1 (talk) 20:23, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

an average of more than 600 artists -- "an average of" is an awkward construction that isn't in the given source.

Fixed--12george1 (talk) 20:23, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Additionally, former Congressman Mark Foley appeared as an extra in the film doesn't need the 'additionally', but more concerningly I'm not seeing the relevance to the article in the first place -- he served a different district.

Removed "Additionally". Mark Foley was a city politician at the time. The film was produced (1981) between his stint as city commissioner and vice mayor.

Education

Elementary school students are served by four public schools, all located within the boundaries of Lake Worth Beach – Barton Elementary, Highland Elementary, North Grade Elementary, and South Grade Elementary,[130] established in 1926. Were all four schools established in 1926?

Only the last one listed was. The others are a bit newer--12george1 (talk) 20:23, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Most public middle school students attend Lake Worth Middle School, while those living south of 12th Avenue South attend Lantana Community Middle School in Lantana. The source doesn't support "mostly" -- it's just a map. All you can cite from it is that students north of that street attend Lake Worth and students south of it attend Latana. If you want to retain the implication that most students attend Lake Worth, you could specify that the given street is quite far to the city's south.

Fixed--12george1 (talk) 20:23, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

However, efforts to organize a library date back to 1912, one year prior to the city's incorporation doesn't need 'however'.

Done--12george1 (talk) 20:23, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"Local pioneers" is pretty...advertorial language. Just "residents" would work.

Fixed--12george1 (talk) 20:23, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Recreation

after the 1947 hurricane. [24] has a superfluous space.

Fixed--12george1 (talk) 20:23, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Near the casino is the William O. Lockhart Municipal Pier, one of Lake Worth Beach's most recognizable landmarks. Should we be using this source for landmark recognizability? I'd be much more comfortable with a secondary source/one not directly connected to the promotion of local landmarks.

Fixed--12george1 (talk) 20:23, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The structure of the pier and wave action result in the creation of sandbars, which, according to the Lake Worth CRA, causes the pier to "provide the most consistent surf in South Florida." Logical quotation again.

Fixed--12george1 (talk) 20:23, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Media

"5th largest" should be "fifth largest", and do we have a founding date for the Palm Beach Post?

Done--12george1 (talk) 20:23, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Infrastructure

There's some sectioning here I'm not sure about. "Public transportation" is generally understood as exclusive of cars/roads, even though the latter are publicly funded. Either this should be two subsections or -- almost certainly better -- the header should just be "Transportation".

Done--12george1 (talk) 20:23, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Violent crime rates then dropped by double-digit percentages for three consecutive years, 2016―2018 should have an endash (–), not an emdash (—).

Done--12george1 (talk) 20:23, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Overdose rates began decreasing in the late 2010s, however should lose the 'however'.

Done--12george1 (talk) 20:23, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Notable people

Seems fine! This is one of those towns right on the border of when you can have a list that doesn't explode into a billion names and need to be aggressively curated; it's very long, but, I think, defensibly long. I paused at some of the sourcing at first, in particular the Internet Adult Film Database, but after reading its article concluded it has editorial control and can probably support the claim it's being used for. At some point it might be worth going through this and seeing if you need every name on it, but I think you can defend having a notable people section this length.

Putting on hold. Vaticidalprophet 08:03, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

12george1, we're quite close to done here, but I'm still interested in the expansion points I've mentioned (in particular the history of the town's political affiliations, such as political party voting). Also, if we only have establishment dates for one of four elementary schools, should we be listing the date at all? Vaticidalprophet 01:53, 19 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Vaticidalprophet, I removed the establishment year for that elementary school. As for politics, it is correct to ascertain that the city is currently very liberal. While this source (which I cited in the article for other purposes) says that there are no citywide results available, this NYT map shows that Biden won all precincts in the city and most by a margin of at least 20%. But with no citywide results available (either recently or further in the past), it's difficult to quantify the past vs. present. Lake Worth Herald president Mark Easton noted in a 2013 Palm Beach Post article that the city swung wildly from very conservative to very liberal in his lifetime, but didn't go into too many specifics on that. On the county level, Palm Beach County voted for the Republican nominee for POTUS each time from 1948 to 1988, but has supported the Democratic nominee each time since 1992.--12george1 (talk) 22:12, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think there's enough there for some expansion, although you're right it's not extremely in-depth. Easton's quote (properly attributed) can be worked in alongside the county-level shift from R to D, and the NYT map used to add further context to the current liberalism. Looking at the PBP clipping, it also notes that city politics have tended towards extremes rather than moderates, which also seems a reasonable incorporation. Vaticidalprophet 22:22, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I incorporated all of that into the article and happened to find voter registration numbers by city, which I also added.--12george1 (talk) 06:36, 22 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good! Happy to pass. Vaticidalprophet 07:39, 22 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]