Talk:Malakasi

The recent unexplained delete

My recent edit was deleted without any clear explanation.Maybe @Zoupan: helps.Rolandi+ (talk) 13:59, 25 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Diff. If you seriously don't see the problem in your editing I don't see a good ending for your editing privileges.--Zoupan 14:41, 25 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Nicholas Geoffrey Lemprière Hammond (1976). Migrations and Invasions in Greece and Adjacent Areas. Noyes Press. ISBN 978-0-8155-5047-1. One of the tribal names used by Cantacuzenus, 'Malakasii', was derived most probably from the plain 'Malakasa' or 'Malakastra' between Valona and Berat, which provides superb winter pasture. The name is evidently of Vlach origin ... They were in fact Vlachs; for the Vlach-speaking Malakasii and Bouii, who live today in central Pindus and in southern Thessaly, are undoubtedly descendants of these same people.9 They were called "Albanians" by Cantacuzenus, because they had come in a geographical sense from the area which he called "Albania"; this included the lowland plain of Malakasa ...
Nicholas Geoffrey Lemprière Hammond (2001). Collected Studies: Further studies on various topics. Hakkert. For example the Malakasii were a wellknown Vlach pastoral tribe; they founded their city as Malakasi and still call themselves Malakasii.

This is the kind of elaborating references you should use.--Zoupan 14:41, 25 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Really?Go and delete all my work!Go!I provoded a reference and you can't delete that only because you have some other references that say Malakasi were Vlachs so my references will be added!However,as I said,don't worry!Rolandi+ (talk) 14:50, 25 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Don't get upset. Providing a reference does not mean automatic inclusion. The cherry-picking of one sentence instead of the context given by the reference is certainly not constructive, and is actually (negative) WP:SYNTH. Hammond elaborates on the matter, and if you're using the reference, don't omit the parts you don't like.--Zoupan 15:54, 25 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yes,now you are claiming that I am doing cherry-picking.In fact no.It will be added as it is what the reference says.@Zoupan: And I am using Fine as a reference here,not HammondRolandi+ (talk) 16:01, 25 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Fine comprises a political-historical overview of the late medieval Balkans. He does mention Malakasi as an "Albanian tribe", as per Cantacuzenus, but the fact that he does mention "The Albanians and Vlachs of the Pindus" (p. 561), though not elaborating on the "Albanian" tribes' obvious Vlach element, in this regard makes him redundant = Fine's use of the (loose) term "Albanian tribe" doesn't have precedence over the references that elaborate on the matter (Fine < studies). Disregarding the lack of ethnology in this matter, Fine is perfectly suitable as a historiographic work.--Zoupan 18:50, 25 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Zoupan: Firstly,Fine is a well-known historian.Secondly,he doesn't mention Cantacuzenus anywhere.Thirdly,he does mention "The Albanians and Vlachs of the Pindus" (p. 561), though not elaborating on the "Albanian" tribes' obvious Vlach element because he doesn't think (and he is a scholar) that the Albanian tribe has an "obvious" element.

The most important thing ,my reference says clearly that Malakasii was an Albanian tribe.Rolandi+ (talk) 16:21, 7 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Try not to spread your POV over several talk pages (Talk:Peter Losha and Talk:Bua family) after being adviced to back away.--Zoupan 12:28, 8 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You don't want to see the truth and to be neutral.This is your own problem.If you don't have anything else to say,my edits will be readded at the article.And try to be neutral in the future.Rolandi+ (talk) 15:51, 8 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Stop it already.--Zoupan 22:13, 9 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

If you don't have anything to say but only "stop" etc. my edits will be readded.Wikipedia is a open place for reliable sources,not a place where you can say stop because you don't like the truth.Rolandi+ (talk) 08:28, 10 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Have you read any of these discussions? You push for describing the tribe as "ethnic Albanian" when it was Vlach, migrating from Albania. Do you understand the difference? You haven't refuted the studies. Was the tribe ethnic Albanian, from a Vlach ethnic area, and somehow Latinized in Greece? Your approach in most of the articles you edit are lacking in overview, and you show zero critical analysis. You put all your weight into misinterpreting, deliberately, and your "truth" is unreliable and POV, period. Be realistic for once. So, once again, I ask you to stop it.--Zoupan 17:47, 10 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You are talking about misinterpreting, deliberately and POV.My edits doesn't say that Malakasi were ethnic Albanians.According to my edits based on sources Malakasi was an Albanian tribe.You even don't know what we are talking about!!!!!!!!!

misinterpret—misinterpretation. You don't know what you're talking about.--Zoupan 18:21, 10 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Albanian clan or tribe doesn't mean ethnic Albanian.This is what you have said before!Rolandi+ (talk) 18:25, 10 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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