Talk:Raino Parvat

Copy editing

@Nizil Shah: Have a look. The Plot section needs copy editing. The Further Milestones in Gujarati Literature (by KM Jhaveri, public domain) also gives the plot in detail, but it is not divided in order of act. Gazal world (talk) 21:24, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

Please fill up all the Acts. I will summarise whole plot after reading the whole plot. Everything else is copyedited for now.--Nizil (talk) 04:51, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

@Nizil Shah: Ready.--Gazal world (talk) 06:07, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

OK. will do editing.--Nizil (talk) 06:14, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

@Gog the Mild: Hey Gog, currently I am working on this article. Its plot section needs copy editing. Could you do it as per your convenience? Thanks in advance. --Gazal world (talk) 16:21, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

@Gazal world: I would be happy to have a go at it, but this sort of thing is outside of my usual area and I would normally avoid it. IMHO you would do better submitting it to GOCE as a request. (I could always look it over afterwards.) Let me know what you decide.

In any event, I think that you could do with an additional sentence or two in the lead. Gog the Mild (talk) 16:57, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

@Gog the Mild: what is GOCE ? --Gazal world (talk) 17:38, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

@Gazal world: Apologies. Guild Of Copy Editors. One can put in requests for copy editing - Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Requests. Or I could ask my copy editing mentor if he would mind having a look at it, which should be quicker if he were willing. One of his speciality areas is television and film and this seems broadly similar. Gog the Mild (talk) 18:27, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

@Gog the Mild: That would be fine. Please, Ask him. Thanks. --Gazal world (talk) 18:29, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

Hi. If you don't mind waiting a couple more days, I'll take a look at this draft article offline for copy edit. – Reidgreg (talk) 13:49, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

@Reidgreg: Ok. Thank you. And yes, You can do necessary changes in drafts accordingly. --Gazal world (talk) 14:16, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

@Gazal world and Gog the Mild: I finished my copy edit and cleanup. Here are some notes:

• The second sentence of the lede said It is considered as the classic play in Gujarati literature. Saying the classic play means that it is the definitive classic play or more of a classic than any other play in the genre, which is a pretty bold statement. Later in the article, Joshi is cited as calling it "a classical work" which sounds less likely to be challenged. I changed it to the indefinite article, a, to match the source.
• Plots tend to be written from a present-tense in-universe perspective, contrary to most everything else you'll read on Wikipedia. It's an easier and simpler way to convey the narrative of the work without getting into opinions. The plot section serves to inform the reader about the narrative, so that they'll be able to understand later sections (eg: themes, criticism, etc.). The plot should be a summary which describes what happens in the work without commentary, typically in the order it happens though some generalizations can be made for brevity.
  • Specifically, you don't have to introduce each paragraph with "the play opens with" or "in third act"; that switches between in-universe and real-world perspectives. Also, the section headings make it unnecessary (though I'm not certain act-by-act headings are needed, I can envision it might aid the reader if act-by-act analysis is added to the article). In the last paragraph, Seventh Act gives a twist to all the strings of the plot. is commentary. Rather than being with the plot, statements like that should come after with discussion and analysis of the play.
  • I rewrote a lot of the plot section and got it down to about 700 words, which is what you'll typically see for a movie plot. Please check it to make sure I didn't confuse the meaning, as I'm not familiar with the work.
• The bodyguard's name was sometimes spelled Sitalsinh and sometimes Shitalsinh. I changed all occurrences to the former for consistency. Please check if that is correct. Similarly, Vinavati in the Characters list was spelled Veenavati in the Play section. If the sources use different spellings, try to determine which is most widely accepted and use that throughout the article (possibly providing the alternative spellings in the characters list).
• The picture, which is very nice by the way, should probably go alongside the text which it is illustrating. So in this case, the Structure section is where the article talks about the author. However, I understand that might make space a little tight with the verse translation. So maybe that's something to consider as the article matures.
• I put in a rudimentary infobox to balance the whitespace alongside the table of contents. Feel free to fill in the parameters that I didn't. You can find technical information at Template:Infobox play.

I hope this is of some help. I also picked out some categories and talk page templates in preparation for the draft's publication to the mainspace. These should stay as they are until the article is moved to the mainspace, as they can cause problems in the draft space. – Reidgreg (talk) 15:33, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

"However, the play has been criticized by for its long drawn-out sequence which is not suitable for the stage". After "by" there should be a critic's name. If you don't have one, delete the word. Gog the Mild (talk) 17:01, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

thank you, @Reidgreg:. You have nicely copyedited the article. I agree with all the points you noted. Thank you for describing why you changed what. Is it necessary to have titles such as "Act 1" in plot? should we summarise the plot in the lead? Regards,--Nizil (talk) 05:54, 13 April 2018 (UTC)