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Is the Sunday nearest to 11th November always the second Sunday in November (as noted in the linked Remembrance Day article)? If so, it would be a good idea to specify this here too. Madda 23:14, 7 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm, I think this is a mathematical certainty.. I think... If the 1st was a Sunday then the next would be the 8th and 15th so the 11th would be the Wednesday and the nearest Sunday would be the second of the month. Likewise, if the first Sunday was the 6th then the following wold be the 13th and so would be taken as Remembrance Sunday... Whichever way you cut it, the 2nd Sunday is always the closest. I hope that makes sense even if it is a year late........... ktn7981Ktn7981 23:22, 12 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"Beethoven" Funeral March

The march used at the Cenotaph isn't the one from the Eroica Symphony; it's #13 in his Werke ohne Opuszahl, and (despite being traditionally credited to Beethoven) was actually written by Johann Walch. I'm therefore killing the link to the article on the Eroica Symphony. 82.36.26.70 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 14:50, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You are killing the link and not putting in the correct one. I hate this more than anything else! Wallie (talk) 18:22, 30 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Observance outside the U.K.

Discussion copied...

...from Wikipedia talk:Selected anniversaries/November 9...

Would anyone object if I replaced it with Remembrance Sunday, which is happening today in the UK & Commonwealth? Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry (talk) 01:56, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Remembrance Sunday" has no official status in the Republic of Ireland, which isn't in the Commonwealth. In the last few years, the President has gone to the ceremony in St Patrick’s Cathedral, Dublin. It's a gesture that springs from the Northern Ireland peace process; the cathedral is run by the Church of Ireland, historically the church of the Unionist establishment who supplied a lot of the Irish soldiers in the British Army that were killed in World War I. jnestorius^(talk) 02:37, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OTD normally does not discriminate between official public holidays sanctioned by a country's government, and those that are unofficial significant observances. Since the event is still observed by a ceremony in Dublin, how do want this resolved? Post "in the United Kingdom and in St Patrick’s Cathedral, Dublin"? Zzyzx11 (Talk) 03:36, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I was under the impression that Remembrance Sunday was observed in both countries, as both countries fought on the same side during the Great War - I wasn't aware that republican and unionist problems had extended to services of remembrance. How about if we put 'the United Kingdom and some other countries'? or 'the United Kingdom and part of the Republic of Ireland'? Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry (talk) 04:04, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How about just putting "the United Kingdom"? The Remembrance Sunday doesn't have any sources anyway. I'm sure the The Royal British Legion organises church services in other foreign countries besides Ireland. jnestorius^(talk) 04:14, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I can't comment for NZ or other Commonwealth countries but Rememberance Day is "celebrated" on 11 November in Australia. I've not heard of Rememberance Sunday until I read about it here. To suggest that it is a Commonwealth-wide thing is misleading IMHO and I think the wording should be changed. Tigerman2005 (talk) 23:43, 10 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

...and from Wikipedia:Main Page/Errors:

OTD normally does not discriminate between official public holidays sanctioned by a country's government, and those that are unofficial significant observances. Since the event is still observed by a ceremony in Dublin, how do want this resolved? Post "in the United Kingdom and in St Patrick’s Cathedral, Dublin"? Zzyzx11 (Talk) 03:23, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm claiming this isn't that significant in Ireland; change to "in the United Kingdom". There is no sourcing on the article in question, so does it even qualify for the main page? jnestorius^(talk) 04:18, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Or possibly "in the United Kingdom and among Anglicans"; a lot of the Anglican churches scattered round Europe seem to have services, so maybe it's in their liturgical calendar. jnestorius^(talk) 04:22, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above suggestion implies that Remembrance Sunday is more of an Anglican thing than say a Presbyterian or British Roman Catholic one (this is probably not going to go down well amongst Scots and Roman Catholics). What about "in the British Isles" or "in Great Britain and Ireland" as it is widely observed in Northern Ireland and perhaps only to some degree in the Republic of Ireland. Greenshed (talk) 21:33, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Since this is no longer on the main page, further discussion should be conducted here. By my calculation, in 2009 Remembrance Sunday is on Armistice Day itself, so it probably won't get a separate entry in Selected Anniversaries till 2010. But in any case, it would be nice to have some details and citations, on the article page itself, for the extent of observance outside the UK; from which Selected Anniversaries will be able to draw an accurate summary. jnestorius^(talk) 01:45, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Forces order

Very minor thing here, but traditionally you list the forces in order of seniority (age), ie. Navy, Army, Air Force. Would it be worth changing the sentence listing the cadet organisations to meet this standard? 94.195.5.216 (talk) 01:02, 7 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Song

I Vow To Thee My Country is an extremely popular one in services on RS. I can't remember being to a service when they haven't played it. Worth adding? 94.195.5.216 (talk) 01:04, 7 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

March

What is the name of the march usually played right after Trumpet Voluntary during the parade? --Hapsala (talk) 01:22, 9 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Outside the United Kingdom

'Outside the United Kingdom Outside the United Kingdom, Anglican and Church of Scotland churches often have a commemorative service on Remembrance Sunday. In the Republic of Ireland there is an ecumenical service in St Patrick's Cathedral, Dublin, the Church of Ireland's "National Cathedral". Since 1993, the President of Ireland has attended this service.[10] The state has its own National Day of Commemoration (held in July) for all Irish men and women who have died in war.'

What does this mean, outside the United Kingdom, ANGLICAN and CHURCH OF SCOTLAND, and THE REPUBLIC OF IRELAND? Anglican, means English and Scotland and Northern Ireland are both in the UK. Why are they mentioned??? Sweetie candykim (talk) 23:02, 14 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Republic of Ireland is not in the UK. The Anglican Church and the Church of Scotland have churches all around the world. Oliphaunt (talk) 13:11, 15 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

As above, I'm an Australian Anglican and this is the first I've heard of Rememberance Sunday. I wasn't at church yesterday but I've not seen anything to suggest it's an official thing. Perhaps there is a service closest to 11 November but it would a local thing rather than something directly coming from the UK I'd think. Tigerman2005 (talk) 23:43, 10 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

National Service of Remembrance

At present, the National ceremony in the United Kingdom section is rather misleading. "The event consists mainly of an extensive march past, with army bands playing live music". Actually it falls into several distinct parts:

1. The Act of Remembrance (the two minute silence correctly mentioned)
2. The laying of wreaths by the Royal Family, politicians, etc (as correctly mentioned).
3. The Act of Worship led by the Bishop of London and the Choir of the Chapels Royal

After this, the Royal Family and other dignitaries leave Whitehall

4. The March Past by ex-services associations and other organisations; a member of the Royal Family now takes the salute in Horse Guards Parade.

You can watch the whole thing on YouTube.

Contrary to our article, any ceremonies at the Monument to the Women of World War II are not part of the National Service.

However, I'm really struggling to find references for any of this. Can anyone help? Alansplodge (talk) 21:26, 26 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Alansplodge - I cannot actually answer your question at this moment (having just reached the end of a big editing session and not having the energy to research further now!), but I have now removed most of the description of the ceremony and extensively updated the description in the main entry, so that it all remains in one place and can hopefully serve as a reliable source of information. I don't recall seeing anything about this monument so perhaps it was removed in a previous edit by someone else. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 06:08, 14 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your work Laterthanyouthink, clarity is restored along with the link to the new National Service of Remembrance article. Alansplodge (talk) 17:07, 15 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Poems

Shouldn't there be a section which explains the poems that are usually recited on Remembrance Sunday e.g. Ode of Remembrance and The Soldier? (Garageland66 (talk) 16:04, 2 November 2015 (UTC))[reply]

History of Remembrance Sunday

I recall hearing somewhere that Remembrance Sunday was a Second World War Invention, since prior to then ceremonies were held on 11 November which was a bank holiday. This was abolished as WWII measure, with the ceremonials moved to the Sunday, where they have stuck since. Can't remember the source for this, and memory is sketchy admittedly fallible but perhaps this may trigger something in someone? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.85.175.48 (talk) 23:44, 9 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

According to the Armistice Day article, the answer may be here:

Cecil, Hugh (1998). At the Eleventh Hour. Pen & Sword Books Ltd. p. 357-358. ISBN 978-0850526448.

- but I don;t have the book to verify it. (Hohum ^@) 16:12, 13 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]