Talk:Syringa
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I've removed evergreen. The ones in my garden (UK) currently have no leaves. If lilacs keep their leaves in certain climates, please restore with clarification -- Tarquin 19:01 Jan 15, 2003 (UTC)
Apologies for not knowing how to edit with proper tags. Where is the technical information for the plant? Hardiness zones, growing season, etc. This info is often missing from wikipedia articles on plants, flowers, etc. This information must be obtained elsewhere in most cases, meaning leaving wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.177.27.191 (talk) 06:00, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
Do we need this many pictures? How about a taxotable? Rissa of the saiya-jin 23:29, 2 Jun 2004 (UTC)
- I agree with you, I've removed the purple pic because the colour seems wrong, at least for the purple lilac we see here in England. The other three pics show different parts of the lilac (overall look, leaves and flowers) so should stay.
- Adrian Pingstone 07:52, 3 Jun 2004 (UTC)
- That's the date I have on that batch of photos. It's also the date on a check I wrote the same day a block away from there. As for what's normal weather around here, nobody really knows any more. It used to be predictable. It's certainly a good fifteen degrees (fahrenheit) warmer than Taos, nearly all the time, and our lilacs in Taos would never bloom that early, but here it happens. However, here in Socorro County many years lilacs don't bloom much at all because they try for April and get nipped by frost. This past spring they didn't. ;Bear 21:20, 2004 Dec 13 (UTC)
All right, you guys, I will get closeups of the leaves. ;Bear 21:56, 2004 Dec 14 (UTC)
- Now that there are leaves again I got a picture. When I was in town today I went over to the same house and then discovered that I didn't have the camera with me so I removed a piece from the plant on the left and brought it home, and you can see it at http://www.zianet.com/glampers/lilac/PICT1764cas.JPG -- is this a lilac or a ceanothus? BTW they are nowhere near as far along this year as they were a month earlier last year. This year is more normal; last year was freaky warm. ;Bear 07:35, 2005 May 4 (UTC)
- Thanks; must admit I'm a bit baffled now. It isn't a lilac, and it isn't a Ceanothus either. The leaves look most like a privet, but I don't know of any privets with purple flowers, they have white flowers (and also flower much later in the summer) - MPF 15:15, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
- Daytime, better light, better pix -- a couple of leaves at http://www.zianet.com/glampers/lilac/PICT1765-1.JPG (front of one leaf) and http://www.zianet.com/glampers/lilac/PICT1765-2.JPG (back of another) ... the -1 pix was pushed fairly hard with Graphic Converter to overcome the bright background; it's not mottled as it ended up looking. Does this help? ;Bear 17:21, 2005 May 4 (UTC)
- I've added a clear photo of lilac leaves to the article. It happens to be a white lilac but the leaves of a purple lilac are the same. I've taken away the previous leaf picture because it wasn't PD and didn't have a larger version - Adrian Pingstone 18:23, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
- Thanks. Proves my point, proves I was right all along. My picture was a lilac as I originally maintained, freaky weather last spring notwithstanding. ;Bear 21:03, 2005 May 4 (UTC)
- Daytime, better light, better pix -- a couple of leaves at http://www.zianet.com/glampers/lilac/PICT1765-1.JPG (front of one leaf) and http://www.zianet.com/glampers/lilac/PICT1765-2.JPG (back of another) ... the -1 pix was pushed fairly hard with Graphic Converter to overcome the bright background; it's not mottled as it ended up looking. Does this help? ;Bear 17:21, 2005 May 4 (UTC)
- Thanks; must admit I'm a bit baffled now. It isn't a lilac, and it isn't a Ceanothus either. The leaves look most like a privet, but I don't know of any privets with purple flowers, they have white flowers (and also flower much later in the summer) - MPF 15:15, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
I've added a little sentence about pruning. It is possible to prune Lilacs without losing flowers - one must just be careful about when the pruning occurs.--68.147.190.137 05:32, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
The article Joseph Hers is a stub about a botanist who discovered several new varieties of lilac, some have been named after him. If anyone has any refs to this or can name any of the species, please add this information to the Joseph Hers article. Thanks. Alf melmac 09:52, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
Hi all. Am doing a story involving the meaning of flowers and came accross several sources that gave the symbolism behind lilacs. Thought it was just quirky enough to merit a mention. Hope you agree.
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Native to California?
[edit]Wait, I thought Lilac was a California plant. That's what it said in my wildflowers book. Maybe native to California and similar climates in Europe? Help!
- Ceanothus spp.--Wetman (talk) 20:37, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
Move species list?
[edit]The list is pretty disruptive to the article. Maybe move it to the end, side or its own article? Kborer 00:16, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
Pruning
[edit]The following information was deleted by someone who doesn't know how lilacs are pruned:
- Lilacs have a tendency to bloom very luxuriantly, but in alternate years. Since lilacs have no autumn color, are often unsightly in late summer because of harmless powdery mildew, and offer no berries nor winter interest, pruning lilacs to encourage a dependable annual display is essential. The right moment is immediately after the blooms have faded, before seed production can set in. All the young wood that has just bloomed is cut back to a strong upward- or outward-facing woody crotch or to a promising strong green side shoot of the current season's growth. Leggy, weak growth is cut out and "water shoots" springing from the roots are cleanly cut as close to the root as possible. Old overgrown lilac clumps are progressively renewed in the course of a few years by cutting out thick, unproductive trunks a few at a time during winter dormancy.
Wise readers of Wikipedia read the Talkpages too. --Wetman (talk) 20:37, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
Poisonous?
[edit]Our pet rabbit seems to like munching on the flowers, so I went out on the 'web looking to see if this was safe. Several web pages seemed to suggest lilacs have some sort of metabolic poison, but none of them were very clear on the issue. Does anyone know for sure one way or the other? It would be a good addition to the page. Maury (talk) 13:20, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
Well, if your rabbit isn't dead yet, it's probably okay. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.119.151.233 (talk) 04:55, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
Asexual?
[edit]Just browsing on through here, and a n00b to editing, but I'm pretty sure that a plant that has "fertile stamens and stigma in each flower" is not asexual. However, I really don't know much about plant reproduction so I wouldn't know what to replace that term with. Perhaps someone who knows better can do it. 70.67.68.126 (talk) 00:26, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
- I saw this and was of the same opinion. I followed the plant sexuality link and according to that article, bisexual, perfect, hermaphrodite, monoclinous and synoecious would all be appropriate terms. I rarely edit, but seeing this comment has been here since January I will make the correction. Vanwaffle (talk) 13:41, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
Language of flowers
[edit]The current version of the Syringa page links to Language of flowers as a reference, but contradicts the current version of Language of flowers.
This looks like the change that caused the disagreement: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Syringa&diff=prev&oldid=252487573 --41.245.144.66 (talk) 13:32, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
Photos of Superba
[edit]I recenlty uploaded some new photos of Syringa microphylla 'Superba', below. Although I can see this article has many photos already, feel free to use if useful. Dcoetzee 19:16, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
Requested move
[edit]- The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the move request was: no consensus. Arbitrarily0 (talk) 17:11, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
Syringa → Lilac – This article was moved from "lilac" to "Syringa", apparently without discussion, in 2007, with explanation "sci name". Which isn't really a good reason to move it. As far as I know, for botanical articles, we prefer common names where possible and where there is widespread agreement about the taxon to which the common name applies. This is clearly the case here; the entire article uses the word "lilac" freely except in the lead. "Syringa" is recognizable only to experts in the field and some dedicated hobbyists; the general public just knows them as "lilacs". Powers T 15:05, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
- Oppose - It's unclear to me that the genus is the primary topic with respect to the name "lilac." The commonly cultivated species Syringa vulgaris seems to be called "lilac" more often than "common lilac," making the term ambiguous. In that case, I'd rather the disambiguation page be moved to lilac. Rkitko (talk) 20:12, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
- I think most people would recognize any of the Syringa species as lilacs, and it's certainly not incorrect to call them such. A hatnote on the resulting Lilac article directing readers to Syringa vulgaris would be more than sufficient. Powers T 01:46, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
- I guess I'm pretty happy with the status quo. Someone who looks up Lilac or follows a link gets to a relevant page. Adding hatnotes or additional text belaboring the distinction between various species or hybrids of Syringa seems like clutter to me. Kingdon (talk) 02:09, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
- I'm certainly not suggesting any belaborment. And the presence or absence of a hatnote will be necessary or unnecessary regardless of whether Lilac redirects to Syringa or the other way around. Powers T 12:35, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
Soil preference?
[edit]Under the "Cultivation and uses" section, the first paragraph ends with "Lilacs will grow in a wide variety of soil types and prefer neutral to slightly acidic soil," while the second paragraph terminates by claiming "Lilacs generally grow better in slightly alkaline soil." Can someone clear up these competing claims? Qafsiel (talk) 16:25, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
Requested Move 2
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The result of the move request was: page not moved. The common name is not the exact equivalent of the scientific one (and a split seems to be in the works, reflecting this). Miniapolis 13:43, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
In the previous request, one commenter suggested that "Syringa" was better because "Lilac" might refer to the species Syringa vulgaris rather than to the genus as a whole. But this is uncompelling as an argument, because Lilac already redirects here, to this article, which covers all plants known as lilacs. Moving this article to Lilac would not change which article people see when they search for that term, so leaving it at Syringa provides no benefit to the reader over moving it. The second comment in the previous request feared "belaboring the distinction between various species or hybrids", but I don't see any reason that would be necessary. We already have hatnotes pointing to Lilac (disambiguation) and Syringa (disambiguation); that would not change after a move to the common name. No additional hatnotes would be needed, nor would we remove either of the existing ones. (We'd just swap which was {{redirect}} and which was {{otheruses}}. Finally, I believe the proposed title meets all of the criteria specified at WP:Article titles:
-- Powers T 21:21, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
Split? Maybe?[edit]Instead of a straight-up move, should we maybe split the article into lilac, talking about the flowers (like, the flowers, not the flowering plant genus), and leave the information on the flowering plant genus here at Syringa? Because no one in any context would ever refer to the flower of a Syringa plant as anything but a lilac, I think that might make sense. Red Slash 18:46, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
1 Etymology split etymology of lilac and Syringa 2 Description more relevant to Syringa, but summarize in lilac 3 Cultivation and uses more relevant to lilac, but summarize in Syringa 4 Symbolism lilac, possibly summarize in Syringa 5 Festivals lilac only 6 Species Syringa, but list cultivated species (i.e. most of them) in lilac 6.1 Hybrids list in both articles I really don't understand the relucantance to call a flower what the damn flower is called. People don't go up to a bush and say "Oh what a beautiful Syringa species." They don't attend Syringa festivals. For crying out loud. Powers T 13:17, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
Support the split. The flower article should contain the material on those wild plants and cultivars known as lilac in English. The current article Syringa should contain the information on the genus, with a high-level section heading Lilac, a Main link and a short description. Andrewa (talk) 20:14, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
I split them[edit]See lilac, tell me if you like it. If this was a misinterpretation of consensus here then please revert me. Red Slash 02:28, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
In spite of questions above, it seems the meaning of "lilac" is not synonymous with its genus. So, no move. -198.228.216.175 (talk) 19:33, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
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Native range
[edit]It would be interesting if a map could be provided that shows the native range of the common lilac. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.119.151.233 (talk) 06:45, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
greetings!!!
HOW ABOUT COOKING WITH LAVENDER, THE HISTORY OF DOING SO, AND A FEW SIMPLE RECIPES?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:CC7B:E730:0:0:0:3ED (talk) 16:45, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
Suggestion
[edit]Suggestion - weren't these the flower type that Kirlian as-of Kirlian photography used as one of his trademark / early proof-in-concept demonstrations?
That incidentally, also got confused / incorporated into UFO/aliens myth?
might worth a mention. Weird/interesting bit of history / minor de-bunking value? 120.18.62.115 (talk) 05:05, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
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