User talk:Maurice27/Archive Aug 2007

Userbox deleted

User:Sceptre has deleted one of your userboxes where you expressed your personal preferences against ultra-nationalistic rhetoric. Other users have suffered the same fate and according to User:Sceptre, having such an userbox constitutes as a personal attack. Not all agree with this argument and if you are one of those people who disagree with User:Sceptre's argument, you are welcome to make your point at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. You may also read this discussion to see what things had been said on this controversial subject. --Thus Spake Anittas 21:42, 26 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

WP:UP#NOT. Read it. Polemical statements are prohibited on Wikipedia. Will ^(talk) 22:28, 26 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It is your POV which makes it polemical, not mine. Therefore I ask you to respect other users pages. --Maurice27 22:33, 26 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Whether or not it's polemical, the content is still inappropriate. I've never seen the word "nationalist" used positively against another user. Will ^(talk) 22:36, 26 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"A patriot is a man who loves his country, whereas a nationalist is a man who hates everybody else's country" - Samuel Johnson (or possibly Oscar Wilde)- Do you still want to talk about nationalist rhetoric? --Maurice27 22:40, 26 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Read WP:NPA. Calling someone a nationalist is like calling someone a nazi. Never acceptable. Will ^(talk) 22:42, 26 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You misunderstand that text. It does not say, nor does it imply, that. This is your own interpretation of the rule. --Thus Spake Anittas 22:46, 26 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I never said that there was anything about nationalism on that page. The point is, "nationalist" is 99.99% of the time a personal attack. Will ^(talk) 22:52, 26 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That is also your personal interpretation. You need to successfully show why the usage of the word constitutes as a personal attack, for each case that the word is being used. You cannot judge based on your personal statistics on the usage of the word. --Thus Spake Anittas 22:56, 26 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Suggestion

Would you consider rephrasing the sentence to "This user deplores nationalist rhetoric, of whatever nation", as the word fights may be understood as an intention to engage on so-called edit wars? Regards, --Asterion^talk 22:40, 26 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Asterion, even if I understand perfectly your good faith and good intentions, I find that having to change my user page because one user's POV does not agree with me is not logical. I do deplore nationalism, but I do also fight it here in wikipedia. You have known me for some months now, you have sometimes even warned me, but I hope that you understand the good faith in all my edits, always trying to add references, sources...

There is an active discussion on WP:AN/I. If it is decided that the userbox is not ok with wikipedia policies, then I will remove or rephrase it myself! Meanwhile, I hope you will grant me the right to keep something which, as far as I'm concerned, does not break any rule. --Maurice27 22:58, 26 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I do not find it offensive. In my opinion, it could be seen just as a way to warn other users of your own "editing bias" (so to give it a name, hoping you understand what I mean), which is perfectly OK as I see it. Regards, --Asterion^talk 23:04, 26 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Kindom of Gibraltar

Hello Maurice, please use the talk page before reverting. I initially left a comment on the talk page noting the change I was going to make and did so. The Coat of Arms of Gibraltar is not the same as the Coat of Arms of San Roque. Both are used in the article interchangeably whereas the former has its respective article and is thus rendered immaterial. Chris.B 18:52, 16 August 2007 (UTC) [reply]

Valencian Community

May I now why did you remove the :Template:Catalan-speaking world from the article? (1) Is there any problem with it?--Paco ✉ 16:20, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Would you take the time to read the talk-pages, would you find the answer yourself. --Maurice27 18:35, 19 August 2007 (UTC) [reply]

Circus

I'm scared. I'm new and this is the welcome (I'm sure you know what i'm talking about):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Catalonia#No.21.21 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_arbitration/Catalonia#Should_we_be_expecting_a_final_resolution_any_time_soon.3F http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/Owdki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/Owdki

Please, what can I do for report this persecution (they work in group, it's obvious their communication in intimacy). I feel lost. Thanks and keep on your work. I'm thinking about erase my account and let the Wikipedia for them.

Regards. --Owdki 06:04, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Dear Owkdi... Welcome to the treatment received by any user opposing the "Let's make wikipedia a political pamphlet about the catalan-territories action group".

In fact, I have to excuse myself with you, because I feel it was my fault when cheering your comments on those talk-pages, that you became another target for them. As I'm discovering now, you are now accused to be my sockpuppet (this means that is me, who is writting under your nickname), something which is forbidden. But don't worry, admins can trace our IPs to localize us on the world map. As far as you don't live in Madrid, Spain, you are safe. I can't travel to other cities in less than an hour. So the accusation made by the User Dunadan, will be proven wrong quite fast, so you will be safe of all accusations.

I have never been accused of being a sockpuppeteer, never, but I guess these users are so scared of losing the arbitration they are suffering that they will use any means in their hands to divert the attention of the admins.

Reading as I am that you are a new user here in wikipedia, I am really sorry that you are discovering so fast that, sometimes, wikipedia is completely poisoned by some groups which believe wikipedia is a perfect path to express their political ideas or beliefs. I have myself, being opposing them for quite some months ago and I'm pretty much used to this kind of "treatment" on their part.

May I announce you, that these people will express in wikipedia, without remorses, some indecent comments like that someone was of catalan nationality (see here) (there is not even a catalan passport!!!) or that Catalonia is a region in the "north east of the iberian peninsula" (see here) (any mean instead that mentioning the word "spain") or that the southern french territory of Rousillon should be called in english "Northern Catalonia" (a term which is not even legal in the very same Catalonia) or that Catalonia is "an historic territory in the northeast corner of the Iberian Peninsula, mostly situated in the north-east of Spain and with an adjoining portion in southern France" (See here). (Guess the "fascists" french and spanish "oppresors" are the ones to blame...)

Anyway, may you feel chill. I wasn't taking care of the arbitration as it was, supposedly, not my problem. Thanks to your links, I discovered that I am being accused myself in a outstanding way. I will write on it and I will defend your innocence.

Cheers and welcome to wikipedia! --Maurice27 16:41, 20 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]