User talk:Aranel
Note: I apologize to everyone who has tried to contact me lately and has gotten nowhere. I hope to get better about this. Anyway, I'm back. -Aranel ("Sarah") 9 July 2005 12:54 (UTC)
- For comments from August through the end of October, see /archive1. For comments from November and December 2004, see /archive2. For comments from January to April 2005, see /archive3.
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Pearle code released
[edit]I added a download section to User:Pearle to make her source code available. Feel free to make a clone if you'd like. -- Beland 04:27, 1 May 2005 (UTC)
Template:ISBN
[edit]Salve, Aranel!
This template has been listed at for deletion here. As you commented on the template's talk page I thought you might comment on the vote page, though it appears hopelessly in favor of deletion at this point. PedanticallySpeaking 17:39, May 11, 2005 (UTC)
just hello
[edit]I am user of catalan wikipedia and I decided to have a look to all related articles in english wikipedia (sorry if my english is not very good). I saw some of your changes and I read your user page. I just want to say you hello and also that I found your user's name explanation really funny
missing since March 2005
[edit]Hi - I see you haven't made any edits since March 2005 and have (with great sadness) added you to Wikipedia:Missing_Wikipedians. If you come back, please remove yourself from this list. -- Rick Block (talk) 13:57, Jun 17, 2005 (UTC)
Salve!
I nominated W. Mark Felt as a WP:FAC. As you commented on the Deep Throat talk page, I'd appreciate your comments at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/W. Mark Felt/archive1. PedanticallySpeaking 15:47, Jun 17, 2005 (UTC)
Category Substance-related disorders
[edit]Hello,
I thought you might be interested, as you created the category, in activity on WP:CFD around Category:Substance-related disorders. There's a proposal to rename to Category:Drug-related disorders and I'm wondering if you're still sufficiently interested in the category to have an opinion and make a vote at Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2005_June_18.
Regards, Courtland 23:51, 2005 Jun 25 (UTC)
you're back
[edit]I don't really know you that well, so I'm not sure why, but I'm so happy! I've drifted away from Beland's orphaned categories list and CFD and thought you must have done the same, and then noticed you had stopped editing completely. In any event: two things. 1) I also moved you on WP:LA to the inactive section, so you might want to move yourself back to active. 2) Although it's certainly nobody's business but your own why you were gone, can I ask if you leave again to leave a hint on your talk or user page so folks aren't left wondering if you were abducted by aliens or something? Thanks, and welcome back! -- Rick Block (talk) July 9, 2005 16:10 (UTC)
- Thank you! I added a secion to my user page, mostly for my own entertainment, but it should also be somewhat informative. Er...somewhat. ;) -Aranel ("Sarah") 17:32, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
The bible
[edit]Firstly let me say that I am sorry to have to bother you.
Secondly, I wish to let you know that a recent VFD that you took part in has closed. The result was that 32 people voted to keep all individual bible verses as seperate articles, and 34 voted that they shouldn't (2 abstensions, and 3 votes for both). This is considered by standard policy not to be a consensus decision (although the closing admin stated that it was a consensus to keep them).
Thirdly, the subject has now been put to a survey, so that it may remain open until there is a clear consensus for what appears to be a difficult issue to resolve. You may wish to take part in this survey, and record a similar vote to the one you made at the VFD there. The survey is available at Wikipedia:Bible verses.
~~~~ 18:21, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
consensus
[edit]The Authentic Matthew VFD has closed. The results were
- Delete - 21 (58%)
- Keep - 11 (31%)
- Merge - 4 (11%)
This was declared to have been no consensus, and therefore a new VFD has been opened at Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Authentic Matthew (consensus).
Would you be prepared to re-add your vote there? ~~~~ ( ! | ? | * ) 09:42, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
Authentic Matthew the sequel
[edit]The POV that was in Authentic Matthew, an article you voted to delete, before it was NPOVed has been re-created at a new article - see Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/The Original Gospel of Matthew. ~~~~ ( ! | ? | * ) 20:19, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
Some time ago, you supported the nomination of American Old West at the COTW. I have now renominated it at the new US Collaboration. If you are still interested, you can support the article with your vote there!--Fenice 08:56, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
fem-stub
[edit]Salut! Just thought I'd say I made a reply to a question you made some time ago at Template talk:Fem-stub. I noticed you'd made the changes you suggested, but as it happens they were reverted a couple months later. Sarge Baldy 07:38, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
US Collaboration of the month
[edit]You have voted for [[{{{1}}}]] on the USCOTM. It was selected to be this months's collaboration. You are invited to help to contribute in order to improve [[{{{1}}}]] in any way possible.
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Thanks for butting in!
[edit]On the discussion on deletion! I do see a lot of people mentioning the issue of notability, but, since I couldn't find any reference to it in the policy, assumed that I was not under any obligation to use that criteria. In voting, I tried to evaluate the entries by the criteria in the deletion policy - it seemed like that was the best thing to do lest it simply degenerate into 'I like this, but I don't like that'. What do you think? Trollderella 15:42, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the note Sarah, I'll get back to it and do a little more than that 2 line stub at some point :) - Jord 16:42, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
Rosie Cotton's page
[edit]Hi, I really like what you usually do to The Lord of the Rings pages, but why does Rosie Cotton have to be under the List of female hobbits? I don't see why it "does it better"? Elanor Gamgee is on the list of Female Hobbits but she also has a page too? From what I remember Rosie has just as big or bigger part in the books than Elanor.(?) I don't know,,I was just wondering????? HopefullGomer 16:19, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
Thank's for the quick response. That makes sence the way you put it:)
HopefullGomer 00:16, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
Knitting external link fun!
[edit]Well, now I am taking heat from the knitting guilds people for deleting external links. And here I thought I was actually being reasonable about it. I don't want a reputation as a mean old link-removing grinch either! ;) But someone had to do it!
I actually have some evidence that someone who had posted there is link-spamming on a bunch of other pages, not just knitting-related... but I don't want to be the big meanie there either. Sigh. ManekiNeko 21:03, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
Did you anonymously e-mail me? I edited the Aule page recently
[edit]Hello Aranel. I got a message from you recently, saying something about being glad that there are people who are interested in Tolkien beyond the movies and that you hoped I would join Wikipedia and become a member.
Assuming it was a message you wrote to me personally, I decided to join Wikipedia and see if I can help make it better in one way or another.
I have a minor in Philosophy, and work at a univerisity in engineering, so it was really satisfying to know that someone who manages content on Wikipedia cared enough to invite me to join.
I have also edited the "Gift of Men" page, and I believe it now is a very expansive, perhaps even authoritative interpretation of Tolkien's intent with this literary device.
Please let me know what you think if you have a little time.
Regards,
--SanjaySingh 21:32, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
Copyright violation backlog
[edit]Hi, thanks for the response on the copyright problems talk page. I did a couple entries in the August 3rd section, Mark Tremonti and Visual Paradox. I thought I'd stop there and see if you'd take a look and let me know if the changes I made were appropriate. I also assume that the page histories that contain the offending violations should be deleted. Thanks and I don't mean to put more work on you! Rx StrangeLove 06:10, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
thanks :)
[edit]I have to say thanks for your thanks, and disclaim that I'm quite sure I didn't come up with it, even if I don't know who did! — Felix the Cassowary 22:57, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
Intresting Ayyavazhi Family
[edit]Hai Aranel, there are intresting articles about Ayyavazhi, a new religion on both mythology and religiosity. Wikipedia is rich with this topic in English, but poor in other languages. Since french is a leading language in Wikipedia it is better to translate the contents on this AYYAVAZHI family to french. - Paul Raj
Please keep it up!!! - P R A D E E P Somani (talk)
Feel free to send me e-mail. have a look at Indian subcontinent earthquakes list
Wikicities covering aspects of Tolkien's work
[edit]Hello, Sarah. I think we have chatted occasionally.
You should be one of the guardians of http://lotr.wikicities.com and/or http://tolkienlanguages.wikicities.com but I don't know if you've visited either of them; there's no User:Aranel registered. Please have a look some time!
Robin Patterson 05:41, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
Witch-King of Angmar
[edit]Not to throw more work onto your to-do pile, but I put a question up at the talk page for the Witch-king of Angmar page, and I haven't gotten a response as of yet. Perhaps you might be able to answer my question? I was skimming articles for general copy-edit and found that the infobox for the article held conflicting information. I am unsure of how to continue and I don't want to mess up any general consensus that may have already been reached that I have missed. Thanks! - Maaya 02:32, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
The cut-n-paste move at Gray Television has been fixed. If you find or are aware of more cases like this, please post them to the WP:CPMRHP or to my talk page. — FREAK OF NURxTURE (TALK) 12:43, Dec. 21, 2005
Greek literature a candidate at the Wikipedia:European Union collaboration
[edit]You have supported Greek literature at the WP:IDRIVE some time ago. I have now renominated it at the new Wikipedia:European Union collaboration. Please consider supporting it there if you are still interested! --Fenice 13:18, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
Tolkien date conventions.
[edit]The creation of the Middle-earth portal has started me thinking about this topic. There's a bit of new discussion on a talk page you posted quite informatively on a while ago, and I'd be interested to know your thoughts, if you have the time to contribute them. I'm not trying to start a revolution or anything, just raising an idea. It's all at the Talk page for the "Timeline of Arda" article.--UrbaneLegend 19:19, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
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If you're interested...
[edit]Hello, Aranel! Thank you for your contributions to a Tolkien-related article. If you are interested, feel free to join WikiProject Middle-earth, a WikiProject focused on improving Tolkien-related articles in Wikipedia. We would be glad to have you join in the effort! Here're some good links and subpages related to the WikiProject.
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Category deletion
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Shayla LaVeaux article
[edit]I see you deleted the Shayla LaVeaux article, citing copyright problems. I'd like to see if I can't clean it up... is there any way I can see the deleted article? Tabercil 21:29, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
Derby Canal
[edit]Dear Aranal
Is the Derby Canal article still a stub? If so give me some hints concerning what extra is needed and I will see what I can do. I already intend taking some photos and uploading them in the next few days.
Yours Faithfully Martin Cordon Martin Cordon 18:55, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
Renaming user language categories?
[edit]I found a comment you made in _Wikipedians_by_languages_??" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:Babel/Archive1">Wikipedia talk:Babel/Archive1#Category: User languages -> Wikipedians by languages ?? some time ago, expressing support for the idea of renaming the user language categories like Category:User fr. I have made a formal proposal to do so, at Wikipedia:User categories for discussion#Category:User en and am inviting you to chime in if you feel moved to do so. :-) Tim Pierce 03:57, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
I think I messed up your image for the Tengwar character of "Arda". Sorry, I'm new here, and didn't mean anything by it, I just hit "save" while editing your image, as opposed to the .svg substitute I uploaded this morning. pls advise.chris sullivan 10:39, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Possibly unfree Image:GumballMachine.Stock.xchng.jpg
[edit]03:11, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
Category:Projects by type
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Borough categories
[edit]I'm contacting you because I see you have created some Alaskan 'borough' catgeories and given them their proper names. There is currently a heated debate with regards to English geography relating to the borough category names. Someone has been naming the categories after the main town in them, which covers a different area to the borough itself. I believe it should be unambiguous so the full borough name should be used. It would be welcome if you could lend us your vote for a rename at: Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_June_9#Oldham. Thanks. 88.104.64.157 16:27, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
Help
[edit]Do you know where i can find the Category:Fictional universes page. i can't seem to find one. Do you know if one exists? --Savre 08:30, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
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Peas in a Pod
[edit]Hello Miss Sarah,
My Name is also Sarah. And I am a fanatic of The Lord of the Rings trilogy, and of course the Hobbit. And I have gone by Aranel every since a dramatic occurence in life. I am only 16, and currently obsessed with R.A. Salvatore's "The Legend of Drizzt". But I find you fascinating.
Perhaps we could talk?
My myspace is myspace.com/skully0405
I also have a chapter to a self-written story (involving the name Aranel, of course) that may be interesting. If you're bored and have a vivid imagination, that is.
And I found Aranel searching through Tolkien's elven translation. Princess, in Elvish, is also Aranel. Another name I adopted was Sereg Heryn. (Literally- Blood Queen. In my mind- The Bloody Queen.)
Sincerely,
Sarah Vaughan —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.200.66.168 (talk) 09:26, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
Yet Another...
[edit]hello Sarahs of wikipedia, yes, I am yet another Sarah, a LotR fantic and go by Aranel. I started using the name Aranel a year ago when I was 12. it has caught on ever since then. in fact, my user name is Aranel Skywalker. this is a very strange world, very strange indeed.... yours truly, yet another sarah who loves LotR and goes by Aranel
Classification of admins
[edit]Hi Aranel. Please consider adding your admin username to the growing list at Classification of admins. Best! -- Jreferee t/c 23:03, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
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Deleted article: Scott Litman
[edit]Hi Sarah, you removed an article for Scott Litman based on WP:CP. I would like to add in new content for his page, but prefer to run it past you for feedback. The copy I would like to add is as follows:
Scott Litman is a Minnesota entrepreneur, co-founder of The Minnesota Cup and previous CEO and co-founder of Imaginet.
In 1998, Scott was named a 40 under 40 by CityBusiness for the success of Imaginet.[1] On the 135th Anniversary of the founding of the University of Minnesota College of Liberal Arts, Scott was published in the book "135 Voices" representing the class of 1990. More recently, he was named one of 200 Minnesotans to know by Twin Cities Business.[2]
I'd appreciate your thoughts/feedback as to whether or not this is appropriate for inclusion. Thank you!
Lmg0603 (talk) 20:32, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
The article List of anti-rock authors has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
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TwillSample.jpg
[edit]Hi, Aranel!
I'd like to use TwillSample.jpg in a talk I'm giving about fiber arts and mathematics (specifically, cellular automata). Is that okay, and how would you like to be attributed? You can email me if you'd rather reply privately.
Thanks! Doctorhook (talk) 03:06, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
Propagator
[edit]Hi, as Heated propagator was virtually unfindable when I searched for it (I searched for Propagator), I have moved the article to prominence at Propagator and moved the other article to Propagator (Quantum Theory). Should make it much more visible - I've also linked to our Propagator article from Plant propagation (I've created a new section in there). Cheers! --PopUpPirate (talk) 12:13, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
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You're famous
[edit]It seems over of you're oldest edits is a key point of convention in the Ackman adn friends plagiarism proxy wars going down now. -Dovid (talk) 19:36, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
- ^ Forty under 40: Scott Litman retrieved 11 June 2010
- ^ 200 Minnesotans You Should Know, Twin Cities Business Online, retrieved 11 June 2010