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Quick reverts

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See here I use Huggle (which I actually just tested out for the first time. It's very handy for quick reverts and warnings. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:37, 13 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Meaning Huggle just reverts stuff fast; it's pretty easy to use and if you want, you can download it yourself and give it a try (as long as you have rollback rights.) I would like to gently suggest that you consider archiving your talk page as it's getting a bit long and approaching browser-breaking size. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:43, 13 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Archiving This is how I do it and I have a template that you can copy and amend if you want. Let me know if this is still unclear. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:48, 13 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Niehaus

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That's a great photo of the bas-relief! I've been on a wild-goose chase. The U.S. Senate website mentions an equestrian statue of Grant for NYC by Niehaus, but I think it's a mistake. BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 16:43, 13 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

My guess is the one by William Ordway Partridge.
Not to harp on something that may already be resolved (February 2011), but what is your source for Edmond Amateis having carved the pedimental sculpture for the Buffalo and Erie County Historical Society? The Buffalo Architecture site is confusing and contradictory. Did the pediment remain blank from 1901 to the 1927-29 expansion of the building? I e-mailed BECHS in the hope of a definitive answer. BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 13:43, 14 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Okay. Here is the deal about this. First of all, it comes from these guys. [1]. Now you would do well to ask, "So who these guys, and I can't find that info on this site anyway?" to which I'd reply, "Well. no, that information is on the "You need a password (actually, two) to find that info there, and those guys are okay and here is a section from their correspondance with the folks in Buffalo, who wrote,
"Thank you for your interest in our building.  Edward Amateis executed sculptural plaques that were added to the exterior of our building in 1929 and is credited in one of our publications with the pediment as well (1930): http:// -- tinyurl.com/45qbc5p"
Does that help? Oh yes, one more thing. Neither Amateis not Niehaus "carved" anything. That was probably done by the Piccirilli Brothers.

Another fascinating factoid. When I tried to post this it turned out that http:// -- tinyurl.com/45qbc5p is on a wikipedia span blocked list? WTF? So I added two -- in the middle and you'll have to cut and paste if you want to check it. Life is just too strange sometimes Carptrash (talk) 20:33, 14 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. That makes sense. The pedimental sculpture seems a bit too Art Deco to me to be Turn-of-the-Century. I'll share what BECHS says if they e-mail me back, and fix everything in the articles.
BTW, I notice you've been contributing to the Niehaus article for more than 6 years.[!] Me, I'm still a rookie. BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 23:16, 14 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The curator at BECHS just e-mailed me back, saying that he thinks the sculptor of the pediment was Amateis. Their library is closed today, but he'll try to get a referenced source tomorrow. BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 15:21, 16 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I changed "carved" to "modeled". I am impress with how many of the images I've added to List of equestrian statues in the United States are yours. Everything from Princeton, New Jersey to Prescott, Arizona. You get around. BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 14:25, 19 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]


File:Fr. Vigo statue by John Angel.jpg.

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Deleted due to No release received at OTRS for over 30 days. If release does get sent then file can be undeleted.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 01:00, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That was a really good picture that materially added to the article. Bad result. Tangible loss. This sucks. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 23:31, 5 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

George D. Mason

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Hi! I removed that sentence for two reasons: 1) the concept is already clearly expressed in the biography («In 1878 he joined with Zachariah Rice to form the firm Mason & Rice. This partnership lasted until 1898»); 2) the sentence is basically incorrect (Mason did not design all of the buildings constructed between 1878 and 1898 with Rice: as far as I know, for instance, the Thompson Home was designed only by Mason): as a consequence, I think it is far better if the list precises which commissions were in collaboration with Rice, Brush, or Kahn, one by one. Hope I made myself clear... Markhole (talk) 15:43, 7 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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More about Ivan Mestrovic

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Dear Carptrash...Because the sentence is not the same...I put "one of the greatest"...That means he was in the top of sculptors in the 20th century.Probably one of the best if not the best..That's why i put ONE of the greatest...Not "the greatest" I even changed the sentence where it is said that "he was probably the best sculptor since the renaissance because for some the links "weren't too good"--Scrosby85 19:28, 14 October 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scrosby85 (talk • contribs)

Thank you..I always sign my posts but it doesn't recognize it...i don't know how...i try to sign my posts but unsuccessfulScrosby85 20:55, 14 October 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scrosby85 (talk • contribs)

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Hi Carptrash, just click on the "Reflinks tool" in the Cleanup-bare URLs banner. The interactive mode is best, because you often want to fix the code a little more. And thanks for pitching in on our editathon-- shall we put you down as participating remotely? You'd really enjoy the Smithsonian events, so come on down to DC, we might even find folks in the Chapter to give you a place to stay if you're interested. Djembayz (talk) 14:27, 26 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You're on the same page for the editathon ... :) Djembayz (talk) 16:34, 26 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

possible

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It is possible to draw me in to a conversation. You know this! I don't particularly care about my signal-to-noise ratio. You know this! Just trying to avoid the attention of any wiki-lawyers, who might recommend my offenses to a wiki-grand-jury, who might end up giving me six years in the wiki-gulag back east somewhere stuffed into a frozen barrel with a couple of exotic roommates. How are you? --Lockley (talk) 21:46, 30 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

oh my Gosh that's awfully impressive! judging from the quality of your drawing you should... sculpt! --Lockley (talk) 02:12, 31 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
yes now you know. uncultivated, I am. cannot play well with others. in other old news, thought you might be interested in this: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/modern-art-was-cia-weapon-1578808.html --Lockley (talk) 18:46, 31 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Happy Halloween!

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Harry Kitson

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Please note in Henry Hudson Kitson's page, second paragraph already says he was called Harry.

The insertion of the naming of him only follows what he was called. He traveled under the name of Harry Kitson, Harry H Kitson Henry Hudson Kitson and H H Kitson. His name was never formally changed to Henry Hudson Kitson. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.228.20.11 (talk) 16:29, 31 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This is good information, but how do you know it? That Harry was his given name? A reference would be good. All the places that I look just say Henry. Carptrash (talk) 17:23, 31 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

American Jews

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Did I violate any rules, or did I falsify history by mentioning Jewish American criminals? Why was that section deleted, its not as if I participated in the bashing of Jews, all I did was list criminals who are Jews with American nationality(only 5 of them, although I could've filled it up with a hundred or more, backed by authentic sources), consequently the crime section was deleted with the reason of "As per the Zionist lobby", when I asked why? the response I got was "orders, are orders" which was followed by a ban on me. How is this tolerated? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.49.101.174 (talk) 17:32, 6 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

First of all, it helps if you register and sign your postings to me, makes carrying on a discussion easier. Then, go to perhaps White Americans and start a list of criminals there. This will demonstrate that your interest is criminology rather than jew-bashing. Then try again, but perhaps leave out the "killing small children" part, which is all I removed. But first register or sigh in. Carptrash (talk) 23:49, 6 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Also, if you put a link to the, "As per the Zionist lobby", and the "orders, are orders" stuff I can look at it and come up with some thoughts. Carptrash (talk) 23:52, 6 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Click on the View History of the American Jews paged, and you will see it as the listed reasons for the page being locked. When I ask why, it says orders are orders, again on the View History page. Please take a look. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:2000:104C:804F:14EE:DE64:1442:F1C0 (talk) 06:53, 8 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Just wanted to say thank you for the useful edits you're currently making on the above page. It's great to see more information added to a newly-created page. Keep up the good work! --Storye book (talk) 16:32, 8 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It's the so-called "ripple effect." Toss a pebble into wikipedia and watch what happens. Carptrash (talk) 18:48, 8 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
One of the most impressive things I've seen here is the teamwork which happens on big rolling news articles, e.g. when Michael Jackson died. It's astonishing how fast and efficient the editors are, how well the rules and etiquette work, and how smoothly it runs. I just watch . . . --Storye book (talk) 08:39, 9 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Nogales Court House

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Nicely done! good to see all the old machinery still works over there. quite a thing, that pediment, and that finial looks store-bought to me, would you agree? --Lockley (talk) 04:28, 13 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Red-linked?

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BTW, what does "red-linked" refer to in your comment at David Vitter?CFredkin (talk) 18:02, 14 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Is the implication that red-linked users are those "who just show up to push a particular POV" defined somewhere? Or did you just make that up?CFredkin (talk) 18:29, 14 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Also, would you agree that my edit which you reverted at David Vitter included the following comment: "Please provide secondary source to indicate significance to Vitter."CFredkin (talk) 18:29, 14 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

So when you included the following comment while reverting my edit: "...unexplained removal of sourced material by red linked editor...", you were making a pejorative claim about another editor and stating something that wasn't really accurate. Right?CFredkin (talk) 19:27, 14 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That's quite a chip you have on your shoulder. Perhaps therapy would help.CFredkin (talk) 00:07, 15 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. Thank goodness you're here to defend the integrity of Wikipedia. I don't know what we'd do without your name calling and reversions of edits based on delusional rationales. I know it must be frustrating when other people disagree with you and you can't muster the gumption to make your case rationally. So instead you claim that anyone who disrupts your efforts to make the project a vehicle for pushing your POV must be acting with bad intent and use it as an excuse to resort to bullying behavior.CFredkin (talk) 00:44, 15 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Since you have chosen to delete your talk page . . . . . . . . . . . . . ......... again - which is where I was posting, I guess our dialog is at an end, but I must say, the HISTORY link at your talk page did make interesting viewing. Carptrash (talk) 02:41, 15 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Re: Little note

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Hi Einar, I sent you a "thanks" note through this newfangled feature. It seemed to me that it was the simplest way of saying "OK, cool; I approve this change". I agree with you that lists should not contain red links without a very good reason. Graham87 02:23, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

November 2013 GA Thanks

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nice work

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That's a steady gaze if I've ever seen one. Kinda makes you feel like an uncarved piece of oak might feel. Nice work! How's it going? --Lockley (talk) 23:35, 9 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

doing well up here! Just decided that this coming August, it's time for a strenuous ten-day wilderness adventure up in Washington state, with a plan to lose a few pounds, extend my range, and plan plan plan. Good to hear of your trip to Nogales. It might be the courthouse we're talking about, yes? --Lockley (talk) 00:36, 10 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Civic Opera House (Chicago) and Civic Opera Building - now two articles

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Thanks for your note on my talk page re: my changes to the opera house article.

The Civic Opera Building article title existed, but was simply set up as a re-direct to the opera house article. Yesterday, I had intended to do what I've just done - i.e. include the material about the building in the new Civic Opera Building article, since there is a lot that should legitimately be there. But, from the pov of the opera house, who cares about the "Tenants" section or the fact that the building was sold for $125 million, etc, etc.?

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Hello, I love your photography! So much so that I went through all the files of yours that got moved to Commons and put them into a category. Letting you know here as you seem less active over yonder. Tried to avoid images that you uploaded there, or didn't upload at all, etc. Hope this might help with anything. djr13 (talk) 00:06, 9 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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I saw that you talked about this music writer several times. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Albums#Piero_Scaruffi_-_Final_Verdict_on_using_him_as_a_source_in_reviews There's a final discussion about this, at the moment. Could you explain why here in a few words? Thanks. Woovee (talk) 18:42, 23 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Animals, art, and categories

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Sorry, I made a mistake -- I was thinking of category:Art by animals, which is very different from category:Animal artists! I've undone my own change; thanks for bringing it up, otherwise I might not have gone back to double-check. DS (talk) 15:59, 22 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Photo question

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Where exactly did you find this image? File:Florek-wikipedia.jpg Was there no copyright notice on the program, or was the copyright not renewed? Calliopejen1 (talk) 02:33, 25 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I did a bit more looking and saw that (according to the article page) the photo is from 1969. That's too late for non-renewal to put something in the public domain, so it hinges on whether there was a copyright notice in the program. For better verifiability, did you see the whole program or just this photo? Did you specifically ask whether there was a copyright notice anywhere in the program? And are you still in touch with whoever gave you this photo? If so, it might be worth having them send an email to WP:OTRS to confirm that there is no copyright notice, or to give more information about what exactly they scanned. Thanks, Calliopejen1 (talk) 18:25, 25 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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List of monuments of the Gettysburg Battlefield

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99th Pennsylvania Infantry Monument.

I thought it would take about 2 hours to recategorize the monuments on Wiki Commons. Not 4-1/2! Well, it's probably 95% done. Still some dozen or so unidentified. -- BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 15:59, 2 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

When I saw you launching into that, I thought,"Bravery such as that deserves, well, a monument." because the time involved is not a surprise to me. You have been doing yeoperson's work - of course I did prefer my picture of the Mississippi Memorial to your new one, better color and more dramatic, but, as the Mississippians learned on that day, you win some land . . . . . . .......... Carptrash (talk) 16:12, 2 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I like the drama of your photo. Is the guy with the rifle is trying to defend the fallen man or whack him? If it's the latter, your photo's better. -- BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 17:33, 2 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
As I recall, they are both on the same team. I'll look into it. Carptrash (talk) 18:05, 2 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
That was my impression after looking at it from other angles. The standing man is defending rather than assaulting the fallen man. -- BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 18:21, 2 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
So you deliberately manipulated your photo to make it appear as if he was assaulting a dying man. Shameful. -- BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 18:27, 2 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I finally got thru all of SIRIS. Now people can fill things in with images. Do you know anything about the 99th Pennsylvania Infantry Monument? SIRIS and other sources list two iterations of the monument, but the NPS numbering suggests three. It looks to me like something from the 1964 World's Fair, so this iteration may date from the time of Gettysburg's centennial. -- BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 18:20, 4 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The first time I visited Gettysburg, I was in my 20s. I remember its being an aesthetic overload and well as a historical one.
Take a look and see what you think of the format of the article. I think it works better in 3 tables (rather and 7), but I'm sure there are things that could dress it up.
The best part is being able to generate the map of co-ordinates. It's just a start, but it will fill in. Generally I'm very happy with the article. -- BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 21:39, 5 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, but note that the monument says "2nd Maryland Infantry C.S.A."
I have a nominee for your phallic architecture page:
-- BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 23:01, 8 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
It was a surprise to me. -- BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 17:17, 9 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I'm going to have to rework the reserve regiments. I organized them under the units they were attached to, but some were state militias that kept their own identities during the war and erected their own monuments after. -- BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 17:32, 9 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

As best I can make out from Martin's "Confederate Monuments at Gettysburg" there are 6 Maryland CSA markers, most, I believe, just plaques. Thanks for pointing this oddity out to me. Carptrash (talk) 22:40, 9 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The January 1, 1863 Emancipation Proclamation freed the enslaved only in states then at war with the U.S. I wonder what Lincoln intended to do about slavery in the border states. Until the passage of the 13th amendment, it remained legal in MD & DE, and legal but dying in NJ. -- BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 02:19, 10 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi, User:Carptrash, is that file in your opinion okay to move to commons? If you feel sure, you can move it, I guess. Lotje (talk) 11:43, 14 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

There was such a silly fight about that picture - I don't care if it goes to Commons or not, though I believe that the copyright issues are okay. I have pretty much quit doing pictures because the arguments that have ensued are just a waste of time for all concerned. Carptrash (talk) 14:18, 14 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I flagged it. Lotje (talk) 05:04, 16 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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On the Pioneer High School (Ann Arbor, Michigan) article, I re-added Brian Rolston, and in my edit summary wrote: "re-added Brian Rolston to notable people; was I able to find a RS? No. Lots of almost RS's though (his school alumni association). Also, he lived in Ann Arbor as a teen. We're safe in assuming he attended this school; maybe someone will find a RS". I had ok sources, but nothing really solid like a book or article. Adding "citation needed" was to find a more reliable source. Maybe another editor had one? But you deleted Rolston, stating: "we're safe in assuming he attended this school;" is NO reason to put something in wikipedia. Ann Arbor has several high school options". Then in your next edit on that page, you add NNDB as your source for Ron Asheton, despite significant discussion all over Wikipedia that NNBD is a poor or unreliable source; see Talk:NNDB, [3], and [4]. In fact, another editor removed your edit and stated "somewhat better source". The source I didn't add for Rolston was certainly more reliable than the one you added. Magnolia677 (talk) 13:46, 23 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Well my wife went to school there with both Ron Asheton and his brother Scott so I was not too concerned about the reference proving to be wrong. I would just as soon that you added something, but I'm okay with leaving it as is.Carptrash (talk) 01:29, 24 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I could care less. Magnolia677 (talk) 01:40, 24 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Less than what? Carptrash (talk) 04:32, 24 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Cool image. You know, the Signpost could really use a cartoonist. I'm surprised we don't have one. Have you ever thought about it? Viriditas (talk) 20:58, 29 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It's a thought - though I just agreed to be a part of a major (or so it will seem) Corrado Parducci project so time will need to be rationed for a while. But I will think about it and if my thought overwhelm me as they sometimes do, who knows? Carptrash (talk) 23:37, 29 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Walker Hancock

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Done. Thanks for reminding me. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 17:59, 13 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I saw the movie last night, and thought Matt Damon was the weak link among the male leads. It could have been better, kind of rambling and episodic, but sincere and hitting the big points well. Have you watched it? == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 21:30, 19 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I got the dvd at the library but have not seen it yet. Having learned that my Mom enjoys football, that's what we do on TV for the weekends. I'll see it soon. I have a section on Hancock's war years from a little tome on him that I'll add when I .......... do it. Thanks for the reminder. later, Carptrash (talk) 16:37, 20 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I found a way to work Walker Hancock into Drinking fountains in the United States. Turns out his Zuni Bird Charmer is part of the Maschmeyer Memorial Fountain. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 03:10, 6 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I wish Monuments Men had been better. It's a story that should be widely known. Gloucester, Massachusetts had a Monuments-Men-weekend in September, with screenings of the movie and panels with the author of the book and Hancock's daughter. If I'd known, I would have gone.
I saw The Train in high school, but don't remember much about it. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 14:09, 6 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Angel of Grief

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You undid my edit on Angel of Grief. That's fine. I don't care if wikipedia is accurate or not. You also claim I made an edit as an "unregistered user", and that's not wikipedia policy. Of course, there is no such thing as a reference for cemetery markers. I could post a photo, but since such a photo wouldn't be certified anywhere, published anywhere, or authenticated anywhere, what good would that do. Besides, I don't own the copyright on the photo, and I'm sure you know the ridiculous rules wikipedia has on photographs. The fact that my listing had as much backup as many others on the list, apparently is meaningless.

The truth is this, you, with your ham-handed understanding of the rules have made wikipedia less accurate. Congratulations. Live with your work. I'm not going to save you from that. Wikipedia is notoriously unreliable, and I have no commitment to saving it from itself. Have fun. 2620:117:C080:520:5E26:AFF:FEFE:8C40 (talk) 18:13, 17 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You also have to remove the British Columbia mention as well, if you are going to be consistent.2602:252:D2A:8B30:4950:3299:8672:B67D (talk) 18:22, 17 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You state that wikipedia is unreliable then claim the right to post an unreferenced unsourced statement. Do you see the paradox here? That you are are unregistered is a factor because I would have written to you before removing it could I have done so. I spend a lot of time trying to verify statements before removing them, I did so in this case as well. But I could find no such record. Notice that most of the other statures do have references. If you include a picture - if you are local to the work it should be possible, and the name of the person or family buried there then I'd have something to go by. As far as wikipedia's policy on picture copyrights, you'd be amazed at the pictures that people post claiming that they took. Perhaps if you took a deep breath , registered as an editor (or not) and did some serious editing, really get the feel of the project, you'd understand my perspective a bit more. I'd like to include your monument, that's what we are trying to do on this page. Carptrash (talk) 20:32, 17 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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List of suicides

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The pictures in the list of suicides seem to exclude contemporary figures. I just thought having some modern pics would be good.OnBeyondZebrax (talk) 22:18, 22 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Not enough (said)

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I thought perhaps the Herbert Haseltine photo I replaced ("better image") was yours, but no. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 21:16, 23 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Better than wallowing in a list of suicides (said the half-Swede to the half- (full-?) Icelander). == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 21:36, 23 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I met some cousins from Stockholm when they came to Phila about a decade ago, but haven't returned the visit. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 22:01, 23 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
One sister spent about a month there in the 1980s, but none of the rest of us have made it. My grandfather was from Gothenburg, so I honor him by driving a Volvo. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 22:13, 23 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The present car is my 4th Volvo. The 3rd was retired in August with 251K miles and a book value well below the price of repairing it. My mechanic bought it for parts. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 22:30, 23 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Statues to NOT visit on a first date, unless . . ..... Statues TO visit on a first date?
And while this might seem like both original research and opinion, what the heck. Carptrash (talk) 23:48, 21 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The Princeton wench must be Peggy Shippen Arnold, whose mad scene, semi-dishabille, discombobulated Washington and convinced him that she couldn't be part of her husband's treason. BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 20:48, 26 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
There's also War from the Sherman Monument in DC. A crone, if I ever saw one. BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 20:56, 26 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Word to the wise, I hope

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This was really uncalled for. If it was a joke it didn't translate very well, and such comments really just raise the temperature. I think you should know better. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 15:56, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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By the way, I love your work, no offense about the deletion nomination. I've been moving your images to the Commons so that other wikiprojects can use them as well. Thanks especially for providing the year of creation on the monuments and statues; that helps immensely with copyright issues. All the best, – Quadell (talk) 14:52, 24 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I'm writing The Encyclopedia Of Jerry Garcia Music Venues. I'm interested in using your photo of the Masonic Temple, Detroit. It's too small on Wiki. I'd need it at least 1 mb or larger. Please email me at slipnut01@gmail.com.

Thank you Harry Angus — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.7.79.9 (talk) 01:01, 28 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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When I read de Weldon's page I was appalled by the exclusion of my father's work as de Weldon's ghost sculptor and the lack of any reference to William Bill Petsco. My father spent 40 plus years doing de Weldon's statues, if fact I also spent two years working on the Iwo Jima statue at Quantico and the larger one at D.C. You removed my correction's with out contacting me. How do I add the corrections that I had previously made ? John Petsco Sr. SRPETSCO (talk) 23:17, 28 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Relax John, I did contact you on your talk page about 2 minutes after I removed the section that you added. I will post what I am posting here there too. As I recall, you added a long section all in CAPITOLS. That would be removed by any editor who found it. Secondly, you did not provide a source or reference for your posting. That you know this to be true is not enough. We have editors that will tell you that they know that man has never walked on the moon. That the holocaust never happened. Etc. You need to come up with a source to back what you say. I am on your side. I am a sculptor historian and know that this sort of travesty happens a lot. let address it, but we must do so according to wikipedia's guidelines. Carptrash (talk) 23:58, 28 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Is this the raciest figure ever modeled (not sculpted) for a war memorial? I wonder what John Ashcroft would think. BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 22:25, 19 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

As she offers her breasts, it just gets funnier when you read the inscriptions.
Above:
Iowa, her affections, like the rivers of her borders, flow to an inseparable union.
and below:
Iowa's tribute to the courage, patriotism and distinguished service of all her soldiers and sailors who fought in the War of the Rebellion.
Most enjoyable. BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 23:12, 19 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

i WILL confess that I was not sure about posting this one, but, I didn't commission it, make it or even carve it. Just snapped it. I will confess thqat the pose is still a bit puzzling to me. Carptrash (talk) 00:00, 20 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Who knows, maybe your photo will make her famous.
She reminds me of Alexander Stirling Calder, whose statues sometimes got surprisingly sexual, but that was a generation later. Thank you for the Gettysburg equestrian pix. By any chance, did you photograph Frank Furness's 6th PA Cavalry Monument? It's a work I'd like to see better known. BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 02:27, 20 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
WWI Memorial Atlantic City, NJ
Just stopped by to thank you both for the Equestrian list, but perhaps the AC, NJ Memorial is "racier," OTOH it's also gorier. BTW, they do a bit of dairy farming in Iowa. Maybe that explains it? Smallbones (talk) 19:06, 21 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]


Hello Carptrash

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I am trying to imagine what you are like in real life: I think I have a good friends who are a bit similar, and I think we would get on! But honestly, Carptrash, you really, really, really need to stop with the redlinked thing. It just isn't productive or helpful or really in keeping with WP's philosophy that everyone is welcome. I do understand where you are coming from though, so here's a challenge for you. The person I know who might be a bit like is a poet.... he has a rich and imaginative vocabulary which he uses to express his ideas. The next time you feel like writing "redlink" or equivalent, try thinking of an equivalent - such as "inexperienced editor", "a newcomer", "newbie".... I am sure you can do better than me. --Slp1 (talk) 23:22, 29 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]


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Thatcher Memorial Fountain

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GREAT photos! == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 00:00, 2 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Accidentally suggestive

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I hope that's a chisel in his hand. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 19:20, 3 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Click on the photo. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 03:04, 4 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know whether you got my recent email with the R. Tait McKenzie piece, but like this, it seems overtly sexual to modern eyes. Could they really have been so oblivious 100 years ago? == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 13:03, 4 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I just sent the email again. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 15:56, 4 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Yep. Try emailing me, and I'll reply. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 16:55, 4 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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So close

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The Class of 1892 Fountain, with figures by Stirling Calder, is inside the arch at left, but blocked by the columns in this photo. It's a delightful thing. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 15:21, 7 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Doughboys

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I can see the chart below the References heading. As for width, I regulate that by the length of the text. I know there is a better way, but doing this is simple (like me). == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 17:45, 10 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You had an extra dash before the final bracket. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 18:08, 10 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Boy, have I got you fooled. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 18:30, 10 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Your opinion is needed

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Hi. Can you offer your opinion in this consensus discussion? I know you did this last month, but it wasn't a formal consensus discussion, but now it is. Thanks. Nightscream (talk) 00:21, 13 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Perhaps, perhaps

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What would be the best way to organize this: Rear Admiral Samuel Francis Dupont Memorial Fountain? == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 03:12, 17 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You are God on Wikipedia. At least until someone else edits or reverts you. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 15:21, 17 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Deus ex machina == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 14:53, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, that bothered me too. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 22:23, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The Bugle: Issue CIV, November 2014

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List of Holocaust memorials and museums in the United States

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This should have a table with a column for images. It incorporates both architecture and art. Any suggestions about other columns? == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 14:28, 20 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe it can be converted into a table later. For now, it's just a list with galleries for images. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 15:50, 20 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Punt?

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I don't know how to do it either. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 12:16, 23 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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