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@FyzikFighter:

I want to thank you for trying to get things right on pages concerning Community of Christ. As copy editor for the John Whitmer Historical Association Journal, I hope I know something about how Community of Christ is referred to. Below is a quote and citation concerning my edits.

“I learned that, actually, the church is not referred to as the Community of Christ; it’s referred to as Community of Christ.”- John Dehlin

Dehlin, John. “590: Stephen M. Veazey- Prophet-President of Community of Christ, Pt. 1.” Mormon Stories, 2015, www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxwofUNlsTg.

Please follow our style guidelines, Community of Christ guidelines have nothing to do with us, also note about MOS:CAPS

We have our own style guidelines that we expect everyone to follow. I've also edited [[Template:Community of Christ]] to meet MOS:CAPS, removed an inappropriate comment and some language violating WP:NPOV (Inspired texts). Doug Weller talk 11:13, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

@Hwangfan: I am unclear where the CoC style guidelines can be found that you reference to support your edits. Can you provide a link? Just because we use a definite article before the name of the church does not mean that the name of the church includes "The" as the name (contrast this with "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" which does include the definite article in its name). Additionally, a number of documents that can be found on the CoC website do include such phrasing as "the Community of Christ", for example: Bylaws, 2004 Priesthood Manual, 2017 Policy statement on intoxicants, and webpage on its First Presidency. Given these occurrences and others, my guess is you are interpreting the style guideline differently from how the CoC themselves interpret it, which gives even less support for removing "the". --FyzixFighter (talk) 00:04, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

@FyzikFighter: I appreciate your concerns about my edit. As Copy Editor of the John Whitmer Historical Association Journal, I'm aware of changes, since the early 2000s, of style concerning Community of Christ. I have reverted the edits and I include the following citation as proof of our style guidelines.

Dehlin, John. “590: Stephen M. Veazey- Prophet-President of Community of Christ, Pt. 1.” Mormon Stories, 2015, www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxwofUNlsTg.

@Hwangfan: I'm sorry, but that is not a reliable source nor is it proof of the CoC's style guidelines. I was hoping you would provide something from the CoC website stating their preferred style guidelines. The links I provided are from their own website and show recent (in some cases two years old) occurrences where they use the phrase "the Community of Christ". Beyond that, wikipedia is not obligated to use any organization's style guideline - take for example WP continued use of "LDS Church" despite the style guideline of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. WP follows, in this case, MOS:LDS which provides no injuction against "the" in these cases. Not including "the" in some sentences comes off as just bad grammar, as has been noted by myself and other editors. We can certainly go down the road of dispute resolution, but imo, per WP:STATUSQUO and MOS:LDS the "the"s should remain. --FyzixFighter (talk) 15:54, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

@FyzikFighter: Understood. New citation below from Mormon History Association style guide; CofC's website under revision; please refer to pg. 5

Journal of Mormon History. “Journal of Mormon History Style Guide.” Https://Mormonhistoryassociation.org/Wp-Content/Uploads/2015/02/JMH-Style-Guide.pdf, 2015, mormonhistoryassociation.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/JMH-Style-Guide.pdf.

That link does not work. —C.Fred (talk) 16:30, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

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