Talk:Pondicherry (union territory)

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Pondicherry is a city with 4 districts

• • Pondicherry (union territory city) -- region
  • Karaikal -- city
  • Mahe -- city
  • Yaman -- city

So, what's the scoop? --(WT-en) Evan 15:47, 5 Apr 2004 (EDT)

(edit clash) Do we really need stuff broken into "enclaves"? Is this a useful distinction for most travellers and will there really be travel information for each of the? (WT-en) Majnoona 15:48, 5 Apr 2004 (EDT)

Well, I think the fact that the 4 clusters -- let's call them "cities" for now -- are hundreds of miles apart would argue for having separate articles for them. --(WT-en) Evan 16:14, 5 Apr 2004 (EDT)

It's even more complicated: (look at here for a good map) Pondicherry is the capital of the union territory with the same name. This union territory consists of 15 separate enclaves. A group of 11 of them is known as "Puduchcheri" (which is also the Indian name of the city), and is located within Tamil Nadu. Another one is known as Karaikal, and is also situated within TN. Another enclave (Yanan) is situated a lot further north, within the state of Andhra Pradesh. 2 more lie on India's West coast, within Kerala, and are known as Mahe. So talking about Pondicherry is a bit ambiguous: do you mean the town or the territory, and which part of it? Maybe Evan's idea would be simpler... (WT-en) Akubra 15:59, 5 Apr 2004 (EDT)

PS:If we decide another way to deal with this, I'll clean it up as soon as possible. (WT-en) Akubra 16:09, 5 Apr 2004 (EDT)

PS2:Maybe I shouldn't edit when I'm tired... (WT-en) Akubra 16:12, 5 Apr 2004 (EDT)

Wow. That's really complicated! Outside of administrative issues, though, it still seems to me that Pondicherry (union territory) is made up of 4 towns widely distributed across 3 states. I'd probably say that the towns in the other states should show up in those states' hierarchy, also...

Also, I realize that Puduchcheri is the local name, but I'm pretty sure that Pondicherry (city) is the right name for it. --(WT-en) Evan 16:13, 5 Apr 2004 (EDT)

pondicherry-arts dot com

Is it time to blacklist this URL, or does someone want to volunteer to make a real, non-touty entry out of it? Have a look at this edit. I'm near the end of my rope with this edit warring, but I feel like this is a legitimate organization to list, as long as the listing is in a proper format and not a direct reply to the general remark at the beginning of the "Do" section. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:11, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Update Name

The name of the main city is still Pondicherry but the name of the Union Territory is now Puducherry as per Wikipedia. I will change the link. Gizza ^(t)(c) 11:01, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

That sounds fine, but there is still one question that needs to be answered: What name is currently more commonly used in the English language for the territory, Pondicherry or Puducherry? The standard at Wikivoyage is to use the name that's most used in English, even if that was never official locally or used to be official locally but no longer is. Ikan Kekek (talk) 12:14, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

Pondicherry (union territory)

Swept in from Votes for Deletion Article is disunified as a series of enclaves. I think we should trash this article and merge whatever there is into Pondicherry (in much better state). Eat me, I'm a red bean (talk, contribs) 10:11, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Speedy Keep. We don't delete real places. The procedure wouldn't be to delete and redirect, but to merge and redirect. We previously had a discussion about this disunified series of enclaves, but I can't find it right now. Basically, I think that what we came up with is that it doesn't serve the traveller to have an article about Pondicherry (union territory), but rather, that there should be articles about the cities of interest to travellers, and the enclaves that are deep within Tamil Nadu should be breadcrumbed to that state. But the place to discuss this is Talk:Pondicherry (union territory), not Votes for deletion, because the chances of this article being deleted, rather than merged or truncated or something, are nil. I'd suggest replacing the Vfd tag on the article with a merge tag. Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:05, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

• Speedy keep, procedural close per Ikan Kekek. --Rubbish computer (talk) 16:11, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

Result: Speedy kept; a discussion about merging these articles has been opened on Talk:Pondicherry (union territory) and should be finished there, as we don't delete articles about real places. JuliasTravels (talk) 19:12, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

Merge into Pondicherry

This article should be split into its enclaves, and they should be breadcrumbed to Tamil Nadu. Eat me, I'm a red bean (talk, contribs) 09:36, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

There's a messy question here: Does it serve the traveller to cover all the far-flung enclaves of the Pondicherry Union Territory in a single article for the territory? And if not, what is our Plan B? We may need to solicit comments at Requests for comment if this thread doesn't get much notice. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:08, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

Here's the problem with your idea, in a nutshell: The various portions of this territory are scattered between Tamil Nadu, Kerala and Andhra Pradesh. I think it would be best to breadcrumb each district to the state it's surrounded by. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:44, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

I just had a look at the map and there seems to be a distance of 6-700 km from Pondicherry city (?) up to Yanam and half of that to Mahé. Most certainly we should not put them under the same breadcrumb category. ϒpsilon (talk) 07:05, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

My suggestion is that Karaikal, Mahe and Yanam should be included in Tamil Nadu, Kerala and Andhra Pradesh respectively. The breadcrumbs should reflect it. Pondicherry city (with Auroville included under it) should be a separate entity under South India. The disadvantage with the idea is that we will have to keep fending off contributors who will point out that legally, Karaikal is not in TN and so on, but this is the best solution from the TTCF point of view. Ravikiran (talk) 10:13, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

So Pondicherry would be a districted city with the districts of Pondicherry City and Auroville? This seems like a workable solution, though it's still (probably unavoidably) messy. Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:13, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

Why not breadcrumb Pondicherry and Auroville to Tamil Nadu? Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:14, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

No real reason other than that it goes against my intuition. But I agree, that's more logical than making an exception just for Pondicherry. (Also, just a note that we should make similar decisions for Daman and Diu and possibly Dadra and Nagar Haveli — Ravikiran (talk) 10:47, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

I don't think those cases are so obvious. The thing that's unique about the Pondicherry Territory is that its different pockets are so widely separated from one another. The others can remain as micro-territories without creating any real problems, in my opinion. I'd be willing to be persuaded otherwise, though. Where would you suggest breadcrumbing them, and why? Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:58, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

Daman and Diu are geographically separated enclaves on the coast of Gujarat. The situation there is similar as here. There is no real reason to have Daman and Diu as a travel destination. We could breadcrumb both of them inside Gujarat. Dadra and Nagar Haveli is a more complicated case. Dadra and Nagar Haveli are geographically separated, but only by a few kilometers. Secondly, they are on the border between Gujarat and Maharashtra. No real reason to breadcrumb them with one or the other. — Ravikiran (talk) 11:41, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

I agree with you on Daman and Diu. I didn't realize they were so widely separated, but according to Google Maps, they are about 12 hours' and 640 kilometers' drive apart! Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:47, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

Extraregion

Excellent solution. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:28, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Rename the union territory to Puducherry

Pondicherry is the name of the city, while Puducherry is the name of the union territory. The arguments at Wikipedia may also apply here. --Soumya-8974 (talk) 18:34, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

What names are most used in English? Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:16, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

"Puducherry" is most often used to mean the union territory, while "Pondicherry" is most often used to mean the city, as per media usage. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 07:42, 9 August 2022 (UTC)