Wikivoyage:Votes for deletion/December 2018

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(added by Hobbitschuster on November 28)

  • I add this, not the same wording so others can add if needed. I looked for information of the place, one entry on the web states a 5000 year old village but photos of the site suggest not quite that old, unless it is a not well publicized world wonder. --Traveler100 (talk) 07:40, 11 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This is somewhat similar to the Citizendium one we had a little while ago. It has an Alexa Rank below 1 million, so I don't think we need a "Cooperating with..." page on Wikivoyage. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 15:12, 13 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Glancing at the talk page, it looks like this collaboration never had more than tepid support from the Wikivoyage community even in the best of times. If Wikioverland is as dead as Gizza says, then yes, let's delete. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 01:47, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Alexa ranking isn't a very useful measure for specialty interest wikis. Wikipedia has a low Alexa ranking because it's a general knowledge wiki, but it's expected for wikis on niche interests or hobbies for readers to go long stretches without reading, and for the reader base to be smaller. As for the contents, some of those recent changes actually have useful firsthand information which it would probably be difficult to find anywhere else. ARR8 (talk) 02:44, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Well, keep in mind that a lot of the recent changes are mine. In fact, all of them so far are today. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 02:52, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oh. I checked when you first posted this, before those edits. Unless it was you who wrote about the Costa Rican border crossing? ARR8 (talk) 02:55, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
No, I mean just the United States ones. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 02:59, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Not to overwhelm the Wikivoyage community, but I think these are two more that have long had nothing to do with Wikivoyage and could be removed. They're essentially no longer in existence. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 02:33, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This is a redirect to WDW nowadays, but had a brief history as an article. I don't believe there are any copyright reasons for retaining it, since when it was redirected, Texugo wrote "I don't see much of anything that needs merging". What does anyone else think? --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 16:22, 17 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • As long as there are no copyright issues, I'd agree to delete. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 16:28, 17 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • As we don't allow personal itineraries, because can be an infinite combination of them, I don't see why there needs to be "random" redirects like this. Delete. -- ϒψιλον (talk) 17:22, 17 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • If nothing was merged, there's no real need for this redirect, but I don't understand why there's a reason to delete this redirect, and I would oppose deletion unless Texugo stops by to affirm that nothing whatsoever was merged. My feeling is that spending any time discussing a redirect that indeed does no harm is per se a detriment to the site, because there's really no benefit to the discussion nor to the proposed deletion. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:17, 17 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. There may be incoming links to the now redirected article. Thus deleting any meaningful article that has existed for substantial time is a no-no, unless there are severe reasons for deletion. Former articles are usually also of some historic interest. And, if a redirect causes no harm, taking it to discussion here causes more harm than letting it alone. This article was rather short-lived, one month, so I am not going to fight for it though. --LPfi (talk) 16:45, 18 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I just checked & the only link is from this page. I do not know if there were no others to begin with or if, as is the usual procedure, whoever did the redirect found & fixed any problematic links. Pashley (talk) 18:22, 18 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I assume LPfi's point is incoming links from other websites, not from within Wikivoyage. Keep on that basis. —Granger (talk · contribs) 00:16, 19 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I'm still not convinced, but as User:Ikan Kekek says, "there's really no benefit to the discussion nor to the proposed deletion", so I'm not going to explain my reasons. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 01:38, 19 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, that's actually a good point. What do you think we should do, then? I personally don't mind if we keep or delete, and I doubt anyone else who's voted really cares — the discussion is not very important because it's a redirect, not an article. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 17:18, 30 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and move on. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:47, 31 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This is a weird case. There are loads of pages with a title of the format "Wikivoyage:{date month year}" (e.g. Wikivoyage:10 April 2007) which redirect to Wikivoyage:Archive of Wikitravel (not Wikivoyage) milestones. Are these still needed? What are they for? Is there anyone still around from the early days of Wikitravel other than Evan who remembers? --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 16:41, 17 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, doesn't seem relevant anymore. Anyone who wants to see these can probably go to the Wikitravel website. (I assume it's there.) --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 16:44, 17 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
That's not really the point. Wikitravel's (pre 2013) history is our history too, and I favour keeping the archive of milestones page. My question is what to do with the redirects, which with respect is not something you can answer. I'd like to hear from someone who was there at the time, to make sure we wouldn't inadvertently delete something important if we deleted them all.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 16:49, 17 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Pashley is the only active contributor who was around in 2007 (as an admin). Well, I was too but much less so in English. -- ϒψιλον (talk) 17:06, 17 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, I see, it's the redirects. I'll check. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 17:55, 17 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I was not an admin at the time but I remember that these were included in bigger pages and someone just decided to redirect them instead. I think it's unfortunate actually. E.g. see this history milestone: https://en.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?title=Wikivoyage:10_April_2007&oldid=1763126 It is no longer documented at the redirect's target, Wikivoyage:Archive of Wikitravel (not Wikivoyage) milestones. (So keep and probably un-redirect or be better about transcluding.) —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:54, 17 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

* Yes, delete. A bunch of redirects that are a waste of space, time, and energy on the wiki. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 17:56, 17 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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