Talk:Harlingen Lighthouse

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I think this page needs a section on why this lighthouse is significant, even if only known locally. DPU331 (talk) 18:00, 19 May 2013 (UTC) I wrote a section on "Use" to acknowledge the significance of the lighthouse. I also added an "In the Media" section to recognize some of the notoriety the lighthouse has gained. DPU331 (talk) 19:59, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

I added a quote from the lighthouse keeper, explaining how he was actually glad it got turned into a hotel. This is actually pretty interesting! Esauj (talk) 04:06, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

I added a link to the Wikipedia lighthouse page (at the start of this article) and another reference in the media. We should also try to connect this article to others on Wikipedia. Esauj (talk) 04:25, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Does anyone know how to connect this article to the projects that are suggested on this talk page? The lighthouse project and hotel project both seem like a good place to link this article. Might be a good thing to look into. Esauj (talk) 04:48, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Noticed that my Huffinton Post reference was all sorts of messed up. Fought with it and got it working right! Esauj (talk) 04:47, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

I have removed the content puffing the hotel. The "Vuurtoren van Harlingen" hotel source is marginally acceptable as a source for clearly factual information, but not for opinion about the hotel. The CNN content is just an excerpt from the hotel site, adding no information. Anyone can add an entry to the Huffington post site, so it is not acceptable. Ditto Lighthouses of Europe - anyone can add their own entry. Wikipedia is not in the business of advertising hotels. Aymatth2 (talk) 12:28, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Oh, I was not aware that those sources were opinion based. I will look for more objective information. DPU331 (talk) 21:37, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Looks like most of our page was not acceptable. Large sections got removed. Anyone have other (better) resources we can use to add more info? Esauj (talk) 20:57, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

I feel like a wet blanket on this, but Wikipedia attracts a lot of attempts to advertise businesses. Where there may be a commercial aspect we have to be particularly careful to only use sources that are both reliable and independent. Maybe there are not a lot of sources that discuss this lighthouse because it is not very old, a conventional design and not much history: not a lot to say. But if you look at List of lighthouses in the Netherlands, there are plenty that need articles. Or check Category:Lists of lighthouses - all sorts of missing articles. Possibly this one could be used as an example of the structure for an article on another lighthouse. Aymatth2 (talk) 00:41, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for the suggestions. We are still very new at this, so we appreciate the advice and help. We will look into the other pages you suggested. Esauj (talk) 21:52, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

It seems to me like the page is coming together nicely. I added a quote from the former lighthouse keeper that may provide some context regarding the lighthouse's importance. JGP640 (talk) 19:10, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

I just added a little additional background information. The page looks really nice--so impressed by whoever figured out how to get images into the pageJcedarb (talk) 21:21, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Fair enough with respect to the quote getting removed. It wasn't that informational and obviously wasn't objective. I think the page looks great and succinctly discusses the lighthouse. Adding anything else at this point would would probably just diminish the page's value... JGP640 (talk) 22:27, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Unless anyone has found some sort of major historical significance.... ?? JGP640 (talk) 22:29, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

I think that the only information that we could add would be about how it now serves as a hotel, but that would be advertising, so I think we have all of the information we can get. DPU331 (talk) 23:46, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Advertising and copyright violations

I removed the lengthy quotation from "Unusual Hotels of the World" for two reasons. We have no evidence that the author has surrendered copyright. The source also seems very far from independent since it quotes prices and has a booking form. I tried it, and got the response "Thank you. We have submitted your booking inquiry to Lighthouse – Harlingen and you can expect a reply within 2 working days. We have also sent a copy to you at zyz@what.com." I strongly recommend leaving this one and working on other lighthouses that are not trying to drum up business from tourists. Aymatth2 (talk) 22:33, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

That's fair. We didn't intend for it to sound like an advertisement for the hotel that now occupies the space. Jcedarb (talk) 23:45, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

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