Talk:Shivaji

Can anyone change the name to Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj?

Why is the title not included in the name? Sayalibm (talk) 23:44, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Because Wikipedia generally does not include titles or honorifics in article titles. MrOllie (talk) 23:51, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 June 2024

hello sir , when i searched chhatrapati shivaji maharaj then first wikipedia article i see but there is one sided prnounciation of maharaj name so i request you to change that 'shivaji ' name to 'CHHATRAPATI SHIVAJI MAHARAJ" you cant mention one sided pronounciation please make sure this mistake Borse1308 (talk) 01:14, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

See WP:COMMOMNAME. Capitals00 (talk) 02:05, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 July 2024

Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj Sshatwar (talk) 10:42, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Left guide (talk) 10:56, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Lead

@PadFoot2008 I am one of the principle author of the page. The lead has been written after a lot of discussion and it is more or less same for a few years. You need to look into the achieves. Also, the lead is summary of the article and should include only important events according to the significance and weightage of the event. An enemy calling him 'rat' has no place in lead unless it has any significant relevance and importance. His has been called by dozen of names by different people, should we add them all to the lead? The onus is on you to prove the singificance of it and why it should be included in the lead. Akshaypatill (talk) 15:13, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

You seem to be a bit mistaken here. I don't see any mention of a rat or any other title in the portion you removed. PadFoot (talk) 15:49, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

@PadFoot2008 I am sorry about the rat thing. I mixed it with something else. I checked the source and was going to reply you but I see you have edited your reply removing your unsourced claims. Anyways, the source mentions that he accepted vessel for a period of somewhere from Nov1965 to May 1666 and he was exempted from personal service. Effectively, he was just paying tribute for a few months. I don't find it significant enough to be included in the lead, notwithstanding that it is mentioned out of nowhere in the lead, without explaining the Battle of Purandhar. As Vanamonde93 asked below, we need to assign weightage according to significance of the event and the weightage in the body of the article and the article barely mention this. Akshaypatill (talk) 16:37, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

I doubt we are on the same page here. Vanamonde agrees with me; he clearly says below that the content is supported by sourcing in the article. A significant part of Shivaji's military career was composed of service to the Mughal Empire, with periods of gaps until his crowning in 1674. You seem to have conveniently ignored all of his other terms. PadFoot (talk) 17:12, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

@PadFoot2008 Not everything in the body goes in lead. The WP:LEAD guidelines says-

'The The lead section should briefly summarize the most important points covered in an article in such a way that it can stand on its own as a concise version of the article.'

And I don't see why this should be included in lead. We have more important matters like the 'Combat with Afhazal Khan', which has really high weightage in the article and still couldn't make it to the lead, while the content you wanted to add is barely mentioned in the body. The onus is on you to prove the significance of this over the the topics which have more coverage in article. Akshaypatill (talk) 08:26, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

Shivaji's service (as well as rebellion) to both Bijapur and the Mughals were the most important parts of his military career, not mentioning them would be not giving them due weight in the lead. The current lead is not a good lead at all, and seems to focus too much on his administration, even though Shivaji was a king for only six years; while the rest of his military career for twenty-eight years, i.e., almost three decades, is completely ignored in the first paragraph, which only seems to completely ignore almost all of Shivaji's career except the last six years. PadFoot (talk) 11:59, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

I came here to say the same: this diff appears only to refer to vassalage, which is at least supported by sourcing in the body. Vanamonde93 (talk) 15:56, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 August 2024

In the article there should have title which is 'Chhatrapati' with the name of Shivaji Maharaj. Also you should have written Maharaj after Shivaji as it shows respect towards the man who is people's true king not the King of any piece of land. So my humble request towards you to make this correction in your article as this not about any other king or emperor but about the man who faught for the justice for the people. Thank you. 2409:4081:1206:E43A:1E1:671:7337:ACDD (talk) 07:46, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: see FAQ Cannolis (talk) 08:53, 29 August 2024 (UTC)