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Why is his lead picture of him in a He's played one year for and like 17 for New England. The image should be of him in a Patriots jersey. Ejkrause (talk) 03:19, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

He's most notable (now) for being a not a Patriot. Notability = most recent major accomplishment. Biden was a senator for 36 years, yet most articles will note him as the 46th president, even though he's only been a president for a couple weeks now. Trump was a reality show host for a decade, yet no lead is going mention he was a Reality Show host before being noted as the 45th president. Brady won the Super Bowl with the at the age of 43, his most notable and recent accomplishment. Not to mention he'll likely retire and be remembered as a legend. Once Brady retires, then the picture will likely be neutral with him wearing Patriots gear(Like other players with notable careers on two or more teams). This is standard practice on Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.189.4.21 (talk) 21:12, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, but he won 6 Super Bowls with New Englanf. I'd say that him in a Tampa jersey is an example of recency bias. Ejkrause (talk) 04:23, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

RfC GOAT

Keep or remove the 'greatest of all time' sentence in the lede. Broadly construed, all formulations. Jtbobwaysf (talk) 19:42, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Survey

• Remove from lede as this sentence is subject of excess tagging and weasel words, as we are attempting to summarize an opinion that is not yet consensus (despite being obvious that is probably one of the greatest). This can be better evaluated in the article itself. Its already pretty obvious he is great as all his major records are also contained in the lede, we don't need excess puffery. Jtbobwaysf (talk) 19:46, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
• Remove Greatest is vague puffery. We can simply list his accomplishments and people will get the idea. Citing 'many sports writers, commentators, and players' is bad practice overall. Bonewah (talk) 21:25, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
• Remove Not very encyclopediac. ~ HAL333 22:11, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
• Keep when supported by WP:WEIGHT of sources. Editors often misapply WP:WEASEL, which says: They may also be used in the lead section of an article or in a topic sentence of a paragraph, and the article body or the rest of the paragraph can supply attribution. Likewise, views that are properly attributed to a reliable source may use similar expressions, if those expressions accurately represent the opinions of the source.—Bagumba (talk) 08:13, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
• Keep It's not weasel wording. We're not putting this in Wikipedia's voice. We are simply reporting that multiple sources say this, with references. And what "excess tagging"? Do you mean the sourcing? The multiple sources are presumably there because otherwise this would be puffery and weasel wording. Meters (talk) 09:06, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
• Keep the article does not claim he is. The sentence clearly states that he is recognized as such by others and the sources are credible. It is part of his notability. Darwin Naz (talk) 00:27, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
• Keep It's not un-encyclopedic to say he has been widely described by professionals with the literal word-for-word quote: "greatest-of-all-time". This isn't an adjective assigned by biased wiki editors, but from real journalists and his peers, both past and present. No one has an issue with Wayne Gretzky's article citing him as "the Great One." Mushh94 (talk) 01:06, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

The Great One, The Boss, The King of Pop, etc are all nicknames. We are not discussing a nickname here. We are discussing if we want to say in wikivoice 'some people' (weasel) think Brady is the GOAT. Jtbobwaysf (talk) 17:56, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

In many ways the "GOAT" is a nickname - not just an accolade - that has become synonymous with Brady. Mushh94 (talk) 20:49, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, WEASEL does not say "never" like you are insisting that it does.—Bagumba (talk) 06:22, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

• Strong Keep It is not opinion or puffery to say he is considered one of the greatest when reliable sources say so. Jtbobwaysf, you do not get to decide what is "puffery" and what is not. Reliable sources provide information, and Wikipedia is a medium for that information. This "greatest" language is standard practice throughout Wikipedia, otherwise articles like Michael Jordan, Christiano Ronaldo and Lionel Messi need to be edited too. The fact that these athletes are considered some of the greatest of all time are one of the most important aspects about them. Gonk (talk) 19:00, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
• Modify - WP:Weasel, WP:PEACOCK, it should have a more specific attribution than many sportswriters and players like in the Michael Jordan example. Many sportswriters and players may consider another quarterback to be greater. Morbidthoughts (talk) 00:56, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

  Many sportswriters and players may consider another quarterback to be greater. We reflect the WP:WEIGHT of the sources, not a WP:FALSEBALANCE of the fine opinions on all sides.—Bagumba (talk) 04:52, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

  Can you point to a literature review that measures weight to establish this falsebalance? Because I can point to plenty of RS that puffs someone else even in the context of Brady.[1][2][3][4] All of this shit is clickbait recentism. Morbidthoughts (talk) 00:11, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

  What about all the people who say Earth is flat?—Bagumba (talk) 17:17, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

  Why are you otherstuffing about facts versus opinion? Morbidthoughts (talk) 20:24, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

• Keep Similar to what I stated over at the Lewis Hamilton "greatest" RfC: yes, WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, but Cristiano Ronaldo, Lionel Messi, Michael Jordan, Lebron James, etc. all have some form of "greatest" in their leads. If reliable sources are calling Tom Brady one of the "greatest," then I don't see why we should exclude "all formulations" of it from the lead. Some1 (talk) 02:37, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
• Keep A significant number of reliable sources support it and other articles on similar figures include it. It's not puffery or weasel words, the sources are the ones saying that, not us, and it seems silly to shy away from acknowledging that. DocFreeman24 (talk) 03:04, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
• Strong Keep The comments above have been gratuitous enough citing sources so I won't contribute anything more there. But the guy has more superbowl rings than any individual franchise. Yeah - that's heavily dependent on the team he plays for, but I'd say that alone justifies the statement. 66.31.211.75 (talk) 05:09, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
• Keep per Bagumba, Darwin Naz, DocFreeman24 and Meters. Jusdafax (talk) 15:50, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
• Keep something like "he is widely considered the greatest..." which can be attributed to a large number of reliable sources. // Hippo43 (talk) 22:33, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
• Keep as long as it's clear that it's an opinion, and attributed to credible journalists and other great players and coaches of his sport. This is as seen on Messi, Ronaldo et al. Outside of sports, we see the praise of experts in the lead on Napoleon "One of the greatest commanders in history, his wars and campaigns are studied at military schools worldwide. He also remains one of the most celebrated and controversial political figures in history", Leonardo da Vinci "widely considered one of the most diversely talented individuals ever to have lived", Marlon Brando "He is regarded as arguably the greatest and most influential actor in cinema history", Abraham Lincoln "Lincoln is remembered as the martyr hero of the United States and he is consistently ranked as one of the greatest presidents in American history". There is nothing wrong with reflecting the findings of reliable sources, in fact it should be encouraged Unknown Temptation (talk) 19:36, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

• But it's one thing to say "one of the greatest" and hugely different to say " the greatest." That's a subjective road an encyclopedia should not cross. Fyunck(click) (talk) 03:14, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

• Keep. We've been over this before and his case for being the greatest of all time has only gotten stronger since then. Michael Jordan and Babe Ruth, both featured articles, make similar claims and no one gives a shit. -- Calidum 10:48, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
• Remove - This is way too subjective to place in a lead section. Probably a legacy section would be better to discuss it. If it remains in the lead it should certainly be changed to "one of the greatest qbs of all-time." This is the type of thing that gives any encyclopedia a bad name. Fyunck(click) (talk) 03:14, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
• Keep. We're not saying he's the greatest of all time. We're saying he's widely considered the greatest of all time. That's not subjective. That's a fact. Somarain (talk) 01:29, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Discussion

Wasn’t this already discussed excruciatingly circa 2019? By this point it just seems like the "he's not my GOAT, so he's not THE GOAT" peanut gallery. This is about professional opinions, not editors'. Trillfendi (talk) 20:21, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

I would not be opposed to saying is Brady GOAT, however I am opposed to putting these type of speculative non-consenus based opinions in wikipedia. They devalue the encyclopedic nature of the platform as they fly in the face of NPOV, especially as related BLPs, and even more when they are still active in the sport (leading to my hero will beat up your hero arguments). Jtbobwaysf (talk) 07:54, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

NPOV does not mean no POV at all. If the WP:WEIGHT of coverage describes a player as being the greatest, not mentioning that would be a non-neutral representation.—Bagumba (talk) 10:18, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Agree. Removing the information entirely is even more non-neutral considering how many sources there are out there saying he is considered one of the greatest. Gonk (talk) 19:06, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Well that's the thing. We know many WP:RSOPINION consider him the greatest but we do not know the weight without an actual literature review. This sort of thing is not usually done with sports, which involves so much peacockry. At least with Michael Jordan, the GOAT attribution came from the official website of the NBA. Morbidthoughts (talk) 00:50, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

... we do not know the weight without an actual literature review: See Talk:Tom_Brady/Archive_5#Greatest_QB_in_NFL_history.—Bagumba (talk) 04:52, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

No I mean an actual literature review published by a reliable source. Not wikipedia editors doing a google search for their position. Morbidthoughts (talk) 00:14, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Why don't we just say he's "one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time"? That'll do. It's a good compromise. This guy might be great, even legendary, but he's not invincible or unbeatable. Everyone knows. As the famous saying goes, it doesn't matter if the whole world decides that something wrong is something right. Brady being the greatest of all time is an opinion, not a fact. A widely held opinion, and a well-deserved opinion, to be honest. But that does NOT make it fact. 204.184.29.239 (talk) 23:59, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

That's exactly what it should be in an encyclopedia..."one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time." This is so subjective it should really be placed in a legacy section, not the lead section, but if it stays it should be toned down to something realistic. Fyunck(click) (talk) 03:07, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Except it's not subjective that Brady is widely considered the greatest quarterback of all time, it's a fact. --Somarain (talk) 01:26, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

"Widely" is a weasel-word (see WP:WEASEL). There isn't much doubt that "one of the greatest" isn't contested, but "greatest" very much is. Tarl N. (discuss) 02:07, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Image

Isn’t there another image we can use of Brady where he doesn’t have a helmet on or you can see his face better? Bmorrow151 (talk) 04:17, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Its tricky, because there are lots of conditions an image must meet before its okay to be on Wikipedia, such as copyright, etc, etc... EliteArcher88 (talk) 23:41, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 April 2021

I have alot more info on him Brightonpoo (talk) 23:40, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

Not done – empty request, please structure your request so that it is clear what changes you actually want made. If you want permission to edit the article you can request confirmed status at WP:RFPERM, however, if you do that you'll have to indicate why you should be exempt from the the customary confirmation period. Ericfood (talk | contribs) 02:34, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 April 2021 (2)

tom brady didnt really like playing football when he was young Brightonpoo (talk) 23:43, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Brady quote: “I have a great time. I love this sport. I’ve loved playing it since I was a kid. It’s hard for me to imagine doing anything else in life. I love playing ball, so to still be out here at 41, soon to be 42, it’s pretty good,” Brady said. [5] WikiVirusC^(talk) 02:19, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Patriots Dynasty or Dynasties???

Wouldn't it be more accurate to include that Brady lead the 2 Patriots dynasties as they are definitely distinct and separate dynasties?

2001-2004 dynasty and then the entirely separate 2014-2018 dynasty.

I'm posing the question because Brady seems to have ended the 'Greatest Show on Turf' dynasty of the Rams before it became a dynasty.... Then ended the 'Legion of Boom' dynasty of the Seahawks before it became a dynasty.... and now may have ended the 'Run it Back' dynasty of the Chiefs while possibly being in the process of forming his own 3rd dynasty in Tampa Raleigh80Z90Faema69 (talk) 14:54, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Most will still count it as one Dynasty. Even though rest of team was different, both runs were part of the Brady-Belichick Dynasty. Even without the Superbowl win the 16-0 is part of the Dynasty, along with the other Giant's loss. If they weren't still going to the Superbowl every 3-4 years, I would consider it two Dynasties, but they kept at it even during their "slump". WikiVirusC^(talk) 17:11, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 May 2021

Spelling mistake:

On February 11, 2021, it was revealed that Brady had been dealing with knee discomfort through most of the 2020 season, and would require a minor arthroscope for a routine cleanup.[402] The word "arthroscope" should be changed to "arthroscopy". JF10000 (talk) 20:03, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

 Done. Ferkjl (talk) 20:11, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Formal Challenge To Brojam Edit on 22:28, 4 July 2021‎

Brojam, pursuant to WP:EDITWAR I hereby challenge your revert on my fix noted in the aforementioned date. I removed a cite error and you reinstated with no explanation. GreenFrogsGoRibbit (talk) 06:06, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 July 2021

In NFL Records Section: Change “Most players throwing a touchdown pass to: 77” to “Most players throwing a touchdown pass to: 85”

This hasn’t been updated for over a year. References:

https://www.sportscasting.com/tom-brady-secretly-owns-1-of-the-most-impressive-nfl-records-of-all-time/

Complete list - https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BradTo00/touchdowns/passing 76.14.8.217 (talk) 22:41, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

 Done. I used a different source though. ‑‑Volteer1 (talk) 17:12, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 August 2021

Change “Single Season Touchdown-to-Interception Ratio Record” from “28:2” to “14:1” 2601:280:C200:346:242A:D45E:4762:95F5 (talk) 06:53, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: That value comes from the cited source. It was 28 touchdowns and 2 interceptions. 14:1 would not convey the same information. RudolfRed (talk) 17:36, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 August 2021

Says him and Montana are only ones to have multiple super bowl wins and MVPs. Bart Starr won MVP of super bowl 1 and 2. 2600:1700:A0:87B0:D131:2239:9005:C0B (talk) 20:10, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ––Sirdog9002 (talk) 20:16, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 September 2021

2601:989:4400:17A:F4D6:C118:C63D:6EFF (talk) 20:17, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

Tom Brady won seven super bowls, not six.

 Not done That's what the article says. 7x superbowl champion. If there is somewhere specific where it says only 6, please specify in detail. Tarl N. (discuss) 20:26, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

Typo in paragraph 2

Paragraph 2 ends with "...extending his individual records to 10 Super Bowl appearances and seven victories." It should be "...extending his individual record to 10 Super Bowl appearances and seven victories." The error is in the number of the word "record." He has an individual record, not an individual records.

 Done. It took me a minute to consider both options, but I ultimately determined that your assessment -- the singular use of the word "record" -- is the best option in this sentence. Thanks for calling attention to it on the Talk page. Pistongrinder (talk) 17:16, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

I've undone it. Where Brady has the most Super Bowl appearances of any player and the most SB wins of player, "individual records" is correct here. -- Calidum 17:27, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 September 2021

Change ‘he spent his first 20 seasons’ in the first paragraph to ‘he spent 20 seasons’.

You can’t have a first 20 seasons; you can have a ‘first season’, but first is one, not twenty. 82.45.209.240 (talk) 07:05, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. — LauritzT (talk) 08:13, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

records

The records mentioned after "Brady holds many career quarterback records" are combined regular season and playoffs. Previous to the 2021 season, Brady's regular season records were mentioned. They have since been changed to the combined stats. Brady is currently 2nd to Brees in regular passing yards. Without mentioning that these are combined numbers, this is misleading.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.114.204.215 (talk) 22:01, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 04 October 2021

Suggest edit to "2021 Season" Add onto end of paragraph summarizing week 4. "Also during week 4, Tom Brady became the fourth quarterback in NFL history to defeat all 32 teams; joining the ranks of Brett Favre, Peyton Manning, and Drew Brees." Suggest edit to "Career Records" Add bullet point: "4th Quarterback to defeat all 32 NFL teams." Jacer39 (talk) 04:13, 4 October 2021 (UTC) Jacer39

Semi-protected edit request on 4 October 2021

There's a record for Brady that's missing: passing yards in a super bowl. He threw 505 in Super Bowl 52, the all time record. He also broke the previous record of 466 from the year before, that he also set. 2001:48F8:704A:1ED1:B9F0:CDBA:F0C2:A548 (talk) 04:11, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: Why are you asking for this? It's already in the article. Meters (talk) 04:17, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 October 2021

Change Brady's stats for this season to add his most recent game's numbers. 2001:8003:9151:1A00:6CEC:4E84:AF95:1BEA (talk) 23:31, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:40, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Infobox image

FYI

You are invited to join a discussion related to this article at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League#Infobox_image_standards.—Bagumba (talk) 01:08, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

The White House photo doesn't put him in the uniform of any team and therefore can be still be relevant once he retires/if he ever plays for a third team. I support the use of that as the infobox image and we can simply move the Bucs one to the relevant section below. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 09:13, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

Heh. I note that the current picture now hides his face with a helmet, as of this edit. This has gone back-and-forth several times, it appears a lot of people really prefer seeing a jersey with the face being obscured.

Perhaps we should have a checklist of preferences for NFL images? Something like "1) shows face, 2) shows current jersey, 3) is actually of the person, ..." Tarl N. (discuss) 18:31, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

I assumed we already had such a thing written down somewhere. But that's basically what I'd view as ideal. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 14:39, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

The constant changing of the infobox image is getting kind of disruptive. 2001:569:55E1:8900:BC49:D26B:EB38:DD25 (talk) 04:35, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Is there any particular reason the lede uses combined regular season and postseason stats?

The way I understand it, regular season stats are the standard when giving career stats. When we say Babe Ruth hit 714 home runs, we mean he hit 714 home runs in the regular season. Including the postseason, he hit 729. When we say Kareem Abdul-Jabbar scored 38,387 points, we mean he scored 38,387 points in the regular season. Including the postseason, he scored 44,149. The standard is no different in the NFL. Tom Brady was celebrated by the NFL and sports media two days ago for taking the all time completions record, yet, as the Wiki page indicates, he's been ahead of Brees in combined regular season and postseason completions for quite some time. Scrolling through the talk page, it looks like many people have found this confusing. Should we not switch to regular season stats for his records in the lede, now that he holds them whether the postseason is included or not?

Update 12/15: In fact, I would recommend removing the figures altogether and just stating that he holds those records, at least during the football season when he's extending them all every week. The current figures are more than 2 weeks out of date. Anyone oppose? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Somarain (talk • contribs) 03:16, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

@Somarain: I just wanted to say that I fully agree with your decision to remove the values. They are constantly changing every week as you mentioned, and there could also be the issue of people disagreeing about whether the values should be based on just the regular season or both the regular season and postseason combined, so it seems like leaving the values out of the lead altogether is the least controversial option here. Zander251 (talk) 05:01, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 December 2021

Add Brady's 2021 Pro Bowl Selection under his 2021 Season. He was selected for the bowl today, December 20, 2021. Muditm006 (talk) 22:33, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 22:40, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

Best QB

Literally the best over than Patrick Mahomes!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hokie Pokey (talk • contribs) 00:56, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

Passing yards leader

Someone has put on brady's record list that he is the 2021 passing yards regular season leader, and shows that he has now done this 4x.

The season is not over, and despite it being highly unlikely, brady could still be caught. He has not yet achieved this record. This is a mistake 64.148.230.243 (talk) 05:03, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 January 2022

Typo, should be:

• Most Combined Passing Attempts: 13,081 96.18.156.64 (talk) 17:34, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

 Done Extraordinary Writ (talk) 21:38, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

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Urgent corrections

Combined passing yards and TDS should be 709 and 97K 240 other needs to be corrected but feel free to do it when you can no rush as Tom is in the playoffs currently but some other records needs to be checked on that they are correct. 47.157.234.109 (talk) 06:37, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Overview changes

On the 3rd paragraph of overview right after the college section it says 265 wins and 34 playoff wins it’s supposed to be 278 and 35 playoff wins just some small changes that add up thank you for you’re consideration and edits of the important details. 47.157.234.109 (talk) 17:54, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

243 wins and 35 playoff wins is correct as of this writing. "Wins" generally implies regular season only, as shown in List of National Football League career quarterback wins leaders. Perhaps, combined regular season and playoff wins (278) can be included as well. Frank Anchor 18:01, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 January 2022

The records section of Tom Brady's page needs to be updated. Currently under "Regular Season" it lists that he has the record for "most players throwing a touchdown pass to: 87". For one, the number is inaccurate, and secondly it should be under career records, not under regular season records. Tom Brady does hold the record for most players throwing a touchdown pass to, and the correct number as of today is 92. It should be listed as a career statistic since no reliable source has a breakdown of whether some of those were in postseason or just in regular season. See this link for confirmation of the 92: https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/buccaneers/tom-brady-sets-more-bucs-records-season-finale-vs-panthers

Secondly, under postseason records a new record should be added - "most players throwing a touchdown pass to: 34". This is specific to post season games. Here is the source: https://nesn.com/2021/02/55-tom-brady-stats-that-will-blow-your-mind-ahead-of-super-bowl-lv/ Lstanic (talk) 19:30, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

Got all of those. — Coolperson177 (t|c) 19:28, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

You can use pro-football-reference’s breakdown on TB’s TDs (source: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BradTo00/touchdowns/passing ) It lists only his 90 different TD receivers in reg season though, so if you want the playoff and career numbers you’ll need to check on his 83 playoff TDs (his upcoming wildcard game notwithstanding). Also, someone needs to correct in his career overview the bit about his completions record - he also owns it in the reg season now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.155.92.131 (talk) 23:21, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

There is also a typo that needs to be fixed. Under NFL career records --> Career records (regular season and playoffs combined) --> Most combined passing attempts. The correct number should be 13,081 not 13,0081. Runch Gwar (talk) 15:47, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Typo was already fixed. — Coolperson177 (t|c) 19:28, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Small change

In the third paragraph in overview it says 34 postseason wins currently Brady is at 35 47.157.234.109 (talk) 16:02, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 January 2022

X - ‘He spent his first 20 seasons’ to Y - ‘He spent 20 seasons’

You cannot have a ‘first 20’. 82.45.209.240 (talk) 07:39, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Not done. When you play 22 seasons, you absolutely can have a first 20 seasons.--Rockchalk717 22:42, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Plus, "first 20" helps identify when Brady played for the Patriots. If he retires with the Buccaneers, we can then say he was a member of the Buccaneers for his final (x) seasons. Bluerules (talk) 23:00, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 January 2022 (2)

Tom Brady Was an American Football Quarterback 104.49.236.1 (talk) 19:38, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Tom Brady is a retired American Football Quarterback Zeldamaster702 (talk) 19:39, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

He is still playing SteelerFan1933 (talk) 20:20, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Not done. Multiple things to unpack here, "was" means he has died. When he does retire it will say "is a former American football quarterback." Next, no decision either way has been made. It does appear he does intent to retire, he just hasn't made an official announcement yet, which is what we're waiting for.--Rockchalk717 22:42, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 January 2022 (3)

change Thomas Edward Patrick Brady Jr. (born August 3, 1977) is an American football quarterback for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers of the National Football League (NFL). He spent his first 20 seasons with the New England Patriots, where he was a central contributor to the franchise's dynasty from 2001 to 2019. Brady is widely regarded as the greatest quarterback of all time.[1] to Thomas Edward Patrick Brady Jr. (born August 3, 1977) is an American football quarterback who played in the National Football League (NFL) for 22 seasons. He spent his first 20 seasons with the New England Patriots, where he was a central contributor to the franchise's dynasty from 2001 to 2019 where he won six (6) Superbowl titles. He spent his last two seasons with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers where in his first season he won his 7th Superbowl title. ObsidianIndy (talk) 19:52, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

We're waiting until the retirement is officially announced to state he played in the NFL for 22 seasons. Until then, he's still technically on the Buccaneers. Also, we should not be mentioning his Super Bowl titles in the opening paragraph. They belong in the second paragraph to avoid repetition. Bluerules (talk) 20:28, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 30 January 2022

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Call Tom Brady a former player

 Not done: No official announcement. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 00:57, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

People, Tom Brady isn't retired.

It has not been officially confirmed by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. SteelerFan1933 (talk) 20:21, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Maybe not by the Bucs, but the NFL said that. I won't change it because it’ll just spark an edit war. But yes, he is retired, just here to give a final confirmation.BubbaDaAmogus (talk) 20:37, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

I haven't seen any statements from the NFL - there's an NFL.com article about it, but it's not based on direct NFL information. It's based on information from Ian Rapoport. Bluerules (talk) 20:41, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Yepppppp he’s a goner. https://twitter.com/adamschefter/status/1487524265658306566?s=21 RobbyB3ll4s (talk) 20:51, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

When there's an official announcement, the page will be updated accordingly. Bluerules (talk) 21:25, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Nevermindddd https://twitter.com/mikegiardi/status/1487543857671811079?s=21 RobbyB3ll4s (talk) 22:45, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

RobbyB3ll4s, this is why we always wait for official confirmation and do not rely on anonymously sourced "reports". – Muboshgu (talk) 23:36, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

"":: esp as it is clear :: esp as it is clear to many and most fans that brady could easily cont. on for some longer period 5-10 yrs as his practice, work routines WOULD ALLOW HIM TO DO that and so wkth no drop off in performance this past year ... this is hugely sad .... say it ain so tommy 23:40, 29 January 2022 (UTC)~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.121.189.159 (talk)

lol they definitely were real reports RobbyB3ll4s (talk) 16:22, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Last sentence of introductory paragraph

Revise "Brady is widely regarded as the greatest quarterback of all time.[1]" to "Brady is widely regarded as the greatest American football player of all time.[1]" No doubt he is the greatest QB of all time, but it seems safe to simply say he is the greatest player of all time when even the NFL endorses him as such... Nxc133 (talk) 07:47, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

I disagree. All of the sources we currently have call him the greatest quarterback of all time. That's his reputation. Also, the NFL is not endorsing him as the greatest player of all time, that from a writer for NFL.com. Bluerules (talk)

I provided four highly reputable sources that refer to him as the greatest player of all time. And two of the sources currently being cited to refer to him as the greatest QB of all time actually refer to him as the greatest player of all time.

Also, many of the references currently being cited are considerably outdated as well with four being written in 2016 or years prior. And yes, the NFL article is written by an NFL.com employee and is published on the official website of the National Football League. While you may not perceive that as an outright endorsement, all content published on their site is approved by the NFL. Additionally, the NFL has posted on its official social media accounts about Tom Brady simply being the GOAT not just the GOAT QB

And on top of all that, NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell has specifically offered that he is the greatest player of all timeNxc133 (talk) 21:16, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

There are six sources that call him the greatest quarterback of all time. The FiveThirtyEightSource is comparing him to other quarterbacks, not other players. To call these sources "outdated" is foolish because they were written when Brady was accomplishing what no other quarterback had accomplished. And no, the NFL.com article was not written by an official NFL representative. Those articles are written by individuals who report on NFL news - note that "the official website of the National Football League" prematurely reported Brady's retirement. When these sources say "GOAT", it is not clear if they are referring to him being the greatest quarterback or greatest player. Goodell specifically prefaced his comment with "probably", which isn't a concrete argument for Brady being the greatest player.

Brady is directly comparable to other quarterbacks because they played the same position, had the same general role, and were judged by the same statistical categories. There have been changes to how the game is played, but at least this is still a comparison between players in the same position. To compare Brady to players with completely different roles and skillsets is not an accurate comparison and a subject that this article should avoid. Bluerules (talk) 15:51, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

References

You stated - 'To call these sources "outdated" is foolish.' No this is not foolish. It's foolish to continue to use sources that have since been superseded. There are numerous sources written prior to 2015 that would refer to Joe Montana or an alternative QB as the GOAT QB. By your logic, they would still be relevant because those QBs were then "[accomplishing] what no other quarterback had accomplished" at those times. That does not make sense, as Brady's accomplishments had since superseded theirs, and so yes, information can become outdated as is the case with many of the sources being used to refer to him as the GOAT QB. Just as Brady's accomplishments since 2016 have raised his stature from simply the GOAT QB. Additionally, to say that he is not comparable to other positions is valid, but that does not mean that there can be no player deemed to be greater than all others based on his or her performance, statistics, accomplishments, etc. holistically at his or her position. Besides, this article is not designed to make comparisons to other players or QBs, it is simply summarizing the life and details of Tom Brady, who is in fact widely regarded as the regarded as the greatest PLAYER of all time based on the recent reputable sources I provided and countless others available.Nxc133 (talk) 22:19, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Yes, it is foolish. Brady already established himself as the greatest quarterback of all time by that point. It makes perfect sense to use sources that newer sources are merely repeating. What makes no sense is to call Brady "simply the GOAT QB". That is arguably greatest accomplishment in the NFL; it is not a "simply" designation. It is the designation that Brady is widely regarded as the greatest quarterback of all time. There are far more that say he is the greatest quarterback of all time, making this statement an accurate summary of the life and details of Tom Brady. Here are nine:

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Because other positions aren't comparable and because unlike the other three major sports, players are only on one side of the ball, "greatest quarterback of all time" is the more common designation. Bluerules (talk) 04:04, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Retirement

It's now official, can we alter it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by KingoArcher (talk • contribs) 14:43, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 1 February 2022

Tom Brady have now confirmed that he retires on Twitter today, 1. February 2021. Link: https://twitter.com/TomBrady/status/1488522498060824583 Rasmus1234551 (talk) 14:52, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

 Already done ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:58, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Retired

He retired 149.152.212.243 (talk) 14:55, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Sold Brookline home

Brady sold his Brookline home in 2020. https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/12/31/lifestyle/official-farewell-tom-bradys-sprawling-brookline-mansion-has-been-sold/

Tom Brady Retirement Year

The year on Tom Brady Retirement is wrong

Current Year : 2020-2021 Correct Year : 2020- 2022 2600:1702:2B30:30C0:891E:5FED:EB76:D1F5 (talk) 01:34, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 2 February 2022

Change 2× NFL completion percentage leader (2007, 2010) to NFL completion percentage leader (2007) Mwatz122 (talk) 07:34, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

 Done—Bagumba (talk) 11:30, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 2 February 2022 (2)

Change the picture of Tom Brady in the portrait image on the right side to a more selfie-esque picture. Zeirly (talk) 10:24, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: Feel free to suggest a specific picture.—Bagumba (talk) 11:26, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Extended edit permission request

Requesting edit permissions so that I may update some stats in records category that require updating, as I have been contributing to such in good faith for several years now. FrostCzar (talk) 06:21, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

@FrostCzar: The page currently has extended confirmed protection, which restricts editors with under 500 edits. In the interim, you can request edits by using {{Edit extended-protected}}.—Bagumba (talk) 06:44, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 3 February 2022

Change

• Most combined passing attempts: 13,081
• Most combined pass completions: 8,369
• Most combined touchdown passes: 707
• Most combined passing yards: 96,969
• Most game-winning drives: 67
• Most fourth-quarter comebacks: 51
• Most times sacked: 615

to

• Most combined passing attempts: 13,172
• Most combined pass completions: 8,428
• Most combined touchdown passes: 710
• Most combined passing yards: 97,569
• Most game-winning drives: 67
• Most fourth-quarter comebacks: 51
• Most times sacked: 622

FrostCzar (talk) 08:02, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:06, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Page photo

Now that Tom Brady is retired, the main photo of this page shoukd display him during his Patriot years. He spent the overwhelming majority of his career there. BruinsFan8574 (talk) 02:17, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

I disagree. That picture of him in the WH looks better, more neutral between the two teams. Coltsfan (talk) 14:36, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

I believe that the current Buccanneers photo (Tom Brady WFT-Buccaneers NOV2021 (cropped).jpg) used right now is the best option. The white house photo is way too blurry.--Righanred (talk) 15:48, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

The main photo should generally be the most recent - when Peyton Manning retired, his main photo was in a Broncos jersey. We'll get a better photo of Brady out of uniform in the coming years. Bluerules (talk) 18:29, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Given the choice between an equally high-quality photo of Buccaneers Brady and Patriots Brady, we should go with a photo of him on the Patriots (At least, until he demonstrates that he is still notable post-retirement, which is almost certainly bound to happen.) However, the Patriots photograph currently in use is of lower quality than the former Buccaneers one, and as such, I'd advocate to reverting to that image. -- Ekimo3631 (talk) 04:00, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

Should be the New England photo. While the more neutral White House photo would be best, it is of poorer quality. Brady’s New England years are much more accomplished than his Tampa Bay years so it would make the most sense to use a New England picture. The current New England photo is good quality. Frank Anchor 04:34, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

I agree with Ekimo that the Bucs photo should be used, however, I think we could could consider this photo:

a photo taken from the all pro reels flikr collection. This link is to a bunch of similar Brady images. https://www.flickr.com/photos/joeglo/albums/72157720234849437/page4

Perhaps a crop of this one would be better than the one of Brady running? --Righanred (talk) 18:49, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

Confusion regarding career stats clarification question

I think this article does a really great job of staying objective. Especially, it is able to deliver the news regarding Brady's retirement really well without diving into speculation. --Oliverzhang29 (talk) 19:44, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

At the bottom of the page, it shows brady passing yards at approximately 82,000. But just below this, it shows text indicating 93,000 passing yards. The statistics chart also shows 611 career touchdowns, and the text below shows 679 career touchdowns. Other statistics like this with inconsistencies can be found. Do these numbers count his college statistics at the University Of Michigan? This should be clarified. 150.243.200.30 (talk) 19:25, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

@150.243.200.30: The numbers in the infobox are Brady's stats just from regular season games, while it appears that the numbers in the third paragraph of the article as well as the "NFL career records" section are supposed to be his stats from both regular season games and postseason games combined. However, those combined numbers are evidently a little bit outdated; for example, the paragraph says that he has 93,420 career passing yards, while the records section says that he only has 91,653, but adding his regular season passing yards (82,607) and his postseason passing yards (12,449) actually gives us 95,056, which means that both the paragraph and the records section need to be updated. I'm going to calculate what each of these numbers should be updated to and then do so; thank you for making us aware of this. --Zander251 (talk) 01:36, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 February 2022

Tom Brady is the greatest Patriot of all time and the greatest NFL player of all time and I believe this wikis top-right image is not representative of what this figure represents for football fans in the US.

The image does not represent Brady's demeanor towards football by any means.

I am going to live a few options here that are far more iconic and representative of what Tom Brady stands for on a football field:

Super Bowl LI touchdown celebration One more from Super Bowl LI Super Bowl XLIX One more from Super Bowl XLIX

Super Bowl XLIX and LI are among Tom Brady's most iconic performances while the "LET'S F--KIN GO" is probably the most iconic in all of football and a very likely candidate pose for his statue outside Gillete Stadium. Please consider making an edit or allowing an edit so that the image better demonstrates the figure's impact on a football field. Anantoni13 (talk) 17:34, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 19:18, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

I don't know about all the spouting, but the picture being used is a pretty poor pic. It's great as far as the view taken, but there has a to be better legal pics out there. Fyunck(click) (talk) 19:24, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Last sentence of introductory sentence

Saying Brady is “one of the greatest overall football players of all time” is an insult to his greatness. No one in their right mind thinks any other football player is better than Brady. Please simplify the unnecessarily long final sentence to read “Brady is widely regarded as the greatest football player of all time.” The debate has long been over. Why does this page constantly dance around this fact. 2600:1012:B10A:B48A:984C:D8FC:B324:344C (talk) 04:03, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

Identifying some reliable sources that assess that he is "widely regarded as the greatest football player of all time" would end the debate. At worst, "some regard him as the greatest football player of all time" would be more accurate.—Bagumba (talk) 05:27, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

I don't understand why there's so much contention towards identifying Brady "as the greatest quarterback of all time". Many consider the quarterback to be the most important player and by saying Brady is the greatest at football's most important position, that's automatically making a case for him as the greatest player. Bluerules (talk) 13:53, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

Only calling him the greatest quarterback of all time is like calling Michael Jordan the greatest guard of all time, or Wayne Gretzky the greatest forward of all time. Tom Brady plays the sport of football, and is widely called the goat by every analyst out there. Asking for “sources” to confirm Brady’s obvious goat-ness is silly. A simple google search will reveal an endless list of articles and sources. Not mention the obvious source/fact, which are Brady’s career accolades, 7 rings, 5 sb mvps, all time leader in every significant stat—all of which are 3+ standard deviations above every nfl player. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1012:B16E:A52A:58BB:FB6D:4D8B:C916 (talk) 16:31, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

No, it isn't. Basketball guards and hockey forwards don't have the same reputation as football quarterbacks, which is considered the most scrutinized position in American sports. Sources generally focus on Brady's position because of his position's leadership role in football. Bluerules (talk) 19:06, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Verifiability is a basic policy here. If that's too silly, there's fan forums on the internet to shoot the breeze.—Bagumba (talk) 16:48, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

As for as sources, refer to the current cover of sports illustrated, which has a picture of Brady, with the giant word “Goat”. Please rewrite the last line to read “Brady is widely regarded as the greatest football player of all time.” — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fab184 (talk • contribs) 16:55, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

Does SI say that he is "widely regarded as the greatest football player", or is it just SI's opinion? We need multiple sources that conclude that it's a widely-held opinion. We can't just find a few that think he's the GOAT, and then say our work is done and call it "widely". That would be WP:OR.—Bagumba (talk) 17:10, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

I understand, and that makes sense. Here is a recent article (2/2/22) from SI () in which Bill Belichick calls Brady the greatest player in NFL history, then in the third to last paragraph the article states "The 44-year-old finished his career widely regarded as the greatest football player of all time." Another article from pro football focus: final paragraph states "Brady, widely regarded as the greatest player in NFL history, is still leaving at the top of his game."() Here is another article (posted 2/1/22) from the well-reputable fivethirtyeight.com () that compares Brady to the GOATS of the other three main American sports--Jordan, Ruth, Gretzky--and concludes Brady is the GOAT of all them as well. Another from Sporting News () that calls him the "league's greatest player" in the opening sentence. Another from yahoo sports--opening sentence () Another from NPR--fourth paragraph (). I appreciate the care this site puts into these topics, and understand you have a job to uphold certain standards. If you would like more sources, let me know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fab184 (talk • contribs) 05:04, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

The NPR source does not say he's the "greatest player of all time". It says "the quarterback widely celebrated as the 'GOAT' — the greatest of all time" and also has a quote from the Glazer family saying "the greatest quarterback of all time". The FiveThirtyEight source does not "conclude Brady is the GOAT of all them as well"; it says "Brady has a very strong case for being the GOAT of GOATs" and "this debate will never be settled — nor should it be". Furthermore, it never directly refers to him as the greatest football player of all time, it also says he "is widely regarded as the greatest QB in NFL history". And the Sporting News article further backs the "greatest quarterback" consensus by saying he "didn't need to retire as the best quarterback in NFL history". That leaves four sources for the "greatest player" argument and three for the "greatest quarterback" argument. Here are eight additional sources for the "greatest quarterback" argument to move that number up to 11.

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Bluerules (talk) 09:12, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

I provided multiple sources that refer to Brady being widely considered the greatest football player ever, and apparently the retort is to provide articles that "only" call him the Goat or greatest QB ever, as if that somehow hurts his case. Lol this is laughable. What is the magical number of sources needed here? I'd send youtube clips of literally every sports analyst not named Rob Parker calling him the greatest football player ever, but that would be a waste of time. It's obvious there's a couple people running this page who are not impartial to Brady's greatness and have some resentment toward him for who knows why. No one matter how many sources I cite, they'll find more sources of how certain articles call him just "The Goat" or "Greatest QB" so therefore he can't be called the greatest football player ever, as if anyone today, after his retirement, is making any arguments for any football player ever being greater than Brady. I've said my piece, but it's impossible to convince people who are clearly resentful toward the man and set on being right, instead of getting it right. Have a nice night, you win. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fab184 (talk • contribs) 02:26, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

You provided four sources, one of which also calls him the "greatest quarterback". That's not enough for a consensus. The "greatest quarterback" sources outnumber the "greatest player" sources because "greatest quarterback" is the general consensus. The quarterback is considered the most important position in football and arguably the most important in all four major sports. Brady being considered the greatest at the most scrutinized position in sports speaks to his greatness better than calling him a generic "player" and that is why most sources identify him taking on the responsibility of quarterback. Bluerules (talk) 13:41, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

References

Picture

Can we please change the picture? Tom Brady during the national anthem is probably the worst picture ever. We need to replace it to one of the pictures mentioned above.SteelerFan1933 (talk) 03:15, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Please can you explain your objections to the photograph in the infobox. If you wish to propose a different photograph, please could you tell us which one you prefer and why you think it is more appropriate for the infobox.-- Toddy1 (talk) 10:51, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

That's probably the best photo he's ever had on Wikipedia, no homo. Face of determination. --Somarain (talk) 01:27, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Can we add a line about Tom Brady having more Super Bowl victories than any franchise to the lede?

I think that feat is remarkable enough to warrant mention in the lede. Imagine if an NBA player had 18 championships, or if an MLB player had 28 World Series wins, or if an NHL player had 25 Stanley Cups. That's how bizarre one player having more success than any franchise is. It just hasn't happened in sports before Brady. I think it's worth emphasizing in the lede. --Somarain (talk) 01:30, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

TD-INT single season record

He’s held it since 2016, and seeing as it’s become such a popular stat it’s surprising it’s not listed under ‘NFL records’ 2600:4040:1290:BE00:1A5:73C6:B083:BCC4 (talk) 21:46, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Tom Brady UN retired

Changes must be made now he tweeted it out 47.157.236.115 (talk) 09:29, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Is it 40 or 41 days Tom was retired

Curious 47.157.236.115 (talk) 09:31, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

its 40— Preceding unsigned comment added by HappyBoi3892 (talk • contribs) 02:48, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Basic records stats

There are a few listed (Most game-winning drives: 67, Most fourth-quarter comebacks: 51). I have no clue as to the source, and realize the analysis may not be straightforward. I often use PFR (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BradTo00.htm). It lists these two stats as being 53 and 42. I didn't check other stats ...Billymac00 (talk) 00:05, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 March 2022

"Widely regarded as..." is a matter of opinion. The cited source is a blog of someone making arguments to back said opinion. However, this is not a statement of fact, nor is the source reliable. The line should be removed altogether. 2603:7081:5203:6136:A462:3373:4181:5DDE (talk) 14:01, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. It is actually sourced by nine articles. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:10, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Christian Cardwell

6'7 210 catcher for the New York Yankees. He is hot — Preceding unsigned comment added by I-am-a-dummy-ha-ha (talk • contribs) 18:02, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

Retirement

There is a paragraph toward bottom of "professional career" regarding his retirement. Although below it shows the new info on his unretirement, the paragraph on his retirement should be deleted- for now 150.243.192.153 (talk) 23:13, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 May 2022

Change the part in personal life about Brady signing a deal with Fox into a different section. It does not belong in personal life but rather a different section or under a different subheading. 2604:3D09:D079:C100:9079:E805:F02D:77E1 (talk) 04:04, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

Moved to "Other endeavors".—Bagumba (talk) 04:34, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

Missed a award to add

2022 lifetime achievement award Laureus Ronaldo called him the “GOAT” too nice praise. 47.157.236.115 (talk) 06:52, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Someone calling Brady the GOAT doesn't belong in the achievements section. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:06, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

Authority control template

Hi, I just saw that the authority control template in this article is messed up. Can someone please find a solution to fix this problem? 2001:569:7F96:EE00:E973:B306:F17A:F1BA (talk) 17:32, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

Seems to be a post expand issue after this edit. Too many templates on page or something, I'm not sure the proper fix. WikiVirusC^(talk) 18:21, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

The same issue is also happening on Peyton Manning's article page. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:40, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

I feel like the problem with the authority control templates in these articles began after User:Red Director made some edits on them. I don't know how their edits caused this problem, but I really hope someone can fix this problem ASAP. 2001:569:7F96:EE00:9036:FF2F:151C:678F (talk) 19:55, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

Not sure on this either. I will hold off for now while this gets sorted out. If any of my work needs to be reverted, go ahead and it is no problem. Red Director (talk) 20:10, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

Don't think its you, the article was just almost at that tipping point of being too big to handle all the templates. A lot of NFL/QB ones are there and seems Manning getting same issue now recently. Not sure if there was a recent change to one of those templates or if it just was bound to happen between all the accolades the two of them have. WikiVirusC^(talk) 21:23, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

I just did a test edit and previewed it. My edit removed some of the text in the article but I did not save it. The templates in question returned so this looks like we have a overflow problem. We can cut some of the fat on here but the problem will persist later unless something bigger is changed. I really do not know the best option other than removing some of the archived urls on the refs, which I am guilty of adding to on a regular basis. I have no problem with those being removed, but I do think they help fill a much needed hole with the link rot issues on dead URLs. I am happy to help with whatever to make this work. Looks like Manning was fixed by User:Shadowbryan25 cutting some of the text out. However, this issue looks to be there too about eventually running out of space again. I would prioritize the important templates until we can get some space. Red Director (talk) 21:35, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

So long as the URL are saved on wayback, the archives can be added back in by a bot if live site evers go dead. Archiving the page is enough, they shouldn't disappear even if not linked to here. I wouldn't worry yourself too much try to fix it by yourself, the 35 templates probably the bigger issue, which may have some kind of fix, if not just removing some. WikiVirusC^(talk) 21:44, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

That sounds good. An idea I have is to look at the sentences on here that have multiple references for a single line of data. I can make a judgement call on which one stays if both references prove the same claim. I'll do a minor test run to get the templates back in the short term. Red Director (talk) 21:58, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

Major records only in the infobox

Infobox with major records only and internal wikilink	Infobox with all records	Infobox with major records only (no internal wikilink)
Tom Brady/Archive 6 Brady with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in 2021 No. 12 – Tampa Bay Buccaneers Position: Quarterback Personal information Born: (1977-08-03) August 3, 1977 San Mateo, California Height: 6 ft 4 in (1.93 m) Weight: 225 lb (102 kg) Career information High school: Junípero Serra (San Mateo, California) College: Michigan (1995–1999) NFL draft: 2000 / round: 6 / pick: 199 Career history New England Patriots (2000–2019) Tampa Bay Buccaneers (2020–present) Career highlights and awards 7× Super Bowl champion (XXXVI, XXXVIII, XXXIX, XLIX, LI, LIII, LV) 5× Super Bowl MVP (XXXVI, XXXVIII, XLIX, LI, LV) 3× NFL Most Valuable Player (2007, 2010, 2017) 2× NFL Offensive Player of the Year (2007, 2010) NFL Comeback Player of the Year (2009) 3× First-team All-Pro (2007, 2010, 2017) 3× Second-team All-Pro (2005, 2016, 2021) 15× Pro Bowl (2001, 2004, 2005, 2007, 2009–2018, 2021) 5× NFL passing touchdowns leader (2002, 2007, 2010, 2015, 2021) 4× NFL passing yards leader (2005, 2007, 2017, 2021) 2× NFL passer rating leader (2007, 2010) NFL completion percentage leader (2007) NFL 2000s All-Decade Team Unanimous NFL 2010s All-Decade Team Unanimous NFL 100th Anniversary All-Time Team Bert Bell Award (2007) Associated Press Male Athlete of the Year (2007) 2× Sports Illustrated Sportsman of the Year (2005, 2021) National champion (1997) NFL records Most NFL championships by player: 7 Most career passing yards: 84,520 Most career passing touchdowns: 624 Most career passing completions: 7,263 Longest touchdown pass: 99 yards (tied) Full list Career NFL statistics Passing attempts: 11,317 Passing completions: 7,263 Completion percentage: 64.2 TD–INT: 624–203 Passing yards: 84,520 Passer rating: 97.6 Stats at Pro Football Reference	Tom Brady/Archive 6 Brady with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in 2021 No. 12 – Tampa Bay Buccaneers Position: Quarterback Personal information Born: (1977-08-03) August 3, 1977 San Mateo, California Height: 6 ft 4 in (1.93 m) Weight: 225 lb (102 kg) Career information High school: Junípero Serra (San Mateo, California) College: Michigan (1995–1999) NFL draft: 2000 / round: 6 / pick: 199 Career history New England Patriots (2000–2019) Tampa Bay Buccaneers (2020–present) Career highlights and awards 7× Super Bowl champion (XXXVI, XXXVIII, XXXIX, XLIX, LI, LIII, LV) 5× Super Bowl MVP (XXXVI, XXXVIII, XLIX, LI, LV) 3× NFL Most Valuable Player (2007, 2010, 2017) 2× NFL Offensive Player of the Year (2007, 2010) NFL Comeback Player of the Year (2009) 3× First-team All-Pro (2007, 2010, 2017) 3× Second-team All-Pro (2005, 2016, 2021) 15× Pro Bowl (2001, 2004, 2005, 2007, 2009–2018, 2021) 5× NFL passing touchdowns leader (2002, 2007, 2010, 2015, 2021) 4× NFL passing yards leader (2005, 2007, 2017, 2021) 2× NFL passer rating leader (2007, 2010) NFL completion percentage leader (2007) NFL 2000s All-Decade Team Unanimous NFL 2010s All-Decade Team Unanimous NFL 100th Anniversary All-Time Team Bert Bell Award (2007) Associated Press Male Athlete of the Year (2007) 2× Sports Illustrated Sportsman of the Year (2005, 2021) National champion (1997) NFL records Most Super Bowl wins: 7 Most Super Bowl appearances: 10 Most Super Bowl MVPs: 5 Most career Super Bowl passing attempts: 421 Most career Super Bowl passing completions: 277 Most career Super Bowl passing touchdowns: 21 Most career Super Bowl passing yards: 3,309 Most career Super Bowl game-winning drives: 6 Most career playoff quarterback starts: 46 Most career playoff quarterback wins: 35 Most career playoff passing attempts: 1,801 Most career playoff passing completions: 1,135 Most career playoff passing touchdowns: 85 Most career playoff passing yards: 12,720 Most career playoff game-winning drives: 14 Most career quarterback starts: 316 Most career quarterback wins: 243 Most career passing attempts: 11,317 Most career passing completions: 7,263 Most career passing touchdowns: 624 Most career passing yards: 84,520 Most pass completions in a season: 485 Longest touchdown pass: 99 yards (tied) Career NFL statistics Passing attempts: 11,317 Passing completions: 7,263 Completion percentage: 64.2 TD–INT: 624–203 Passing yards: 84,520 Passer rating: 97.6 Stats at Pro Football Reference	Tom Brady/Archive 6 Brady with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in 2021 No. 12 – Tampa Bay Buccaneers Position: Quarterback Personal information Born: (1977-08-03) August 3, 1977 San Mateo, California Height: 6 ft 4 in (1.93 m) Weight: 225 lb (102 kg) Career information High school: Junípero Serra (San Mateo, California) College: Michigan (1995–1999) NFL draft: 2000 / round: 6 / pick: 199 Career history New England Patriots (2000–2019) Tampa Bay Buccaneers (2020–present) Roster status: Active Career highlights and awards 7× Super Bowl champion (XXXVI, XXXVIII, XXXIX, XLIX, LI, LIII, LV) 5× Super Bowl MVP (XXXVI, XXXVIII, XLIX, LI, LV) 3× NFL Most Valuable Player (2007, 2010, 2017) 2× NFL Offensive Player of the Year (2007, 2010) NFL Comeback Player of the Year (2009) 3× First-team All-Pro (2007, 2010, 2017) 3× Second-team All-Pro (2005, 2016, 2021) 15× Pro Bowl (2001, 2004, 2005, 2007, 2009–2018, 2021) 5× NFL passing touchdowns leader (2002, 2007, 2010, 2015, 2021) 4× NFL passing yards leader (2005, 2007, 2017, 2021) 2× NFL passer rating leader (2007, 2010) NFL completion percentage leader (2007) NFL 2000s All-Decade Team Unanimous NFL 2010s All-Decade Team Unanimous NFL 100th Anniversary All-Time Team Bert Bell Award (2007) Associated Press Male Athlete of the Year (2007) 2× Sports Illustrated Sportsman of the Year (2005, 2021) National champion (1997) NFL records Most career quarterback wins: 243 Most career passing attempts: 11,317 Most career passing completions: 7,263 Most career passing touchdowns: 624 Most career passing yards: 84,520 Most pass completions in a season: 485 (2021) Longest touchdown pass: 99 yards (tied) Career NFL statistics as of 2021 Passing attempts: 11,317 Passing completions: 7,263 Completion percentage: 64.2 TD–INT: 624–203 Passing yards: 84,520 Passer rating: 97.6 Stats at Pro Football Reference

​​​​​ There is a dispute about whether the infobox should have major records only. The old version has major records only, and there is a note in it NFL records <!--Major records only--> There was also a link marked All records. But on 12 February 2022 someone added all the records to it and deleted wikilinks to the major records.-- Toddy1 (talk) 07:58, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Do not include a section link in the infobox to a highlights and awards section of the article , as per this guideline for player pages. Hey man im josh (talk) 11:10, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Per the guideline MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE:

When considering any aspect of infobox design, keep in mind the purpose of an infobox: to summarize (and not supplant) key facts that appear in the article (an article should remain complete with its summary infobox ignored, with exceptions noted below). The less information it contains, the more effectively it serves that purpose, allowing readers to identify key facts at a glance.

—Bagumba (talk) 09:24, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

Correction/Award to add

Tom won a award 2022 lifetime achievement award as for what I added the soccer goat calling Tom the goat it’s as if Wayne Gretzky the hockey goat called him as such and doesn’t need to be added but was to add recognition about him getting it I can assure you it’s a real award that should be added to the list at the bottom. 47.157.236.115 (talk) 20:50, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Rolando, and Gretzky, calling someone the GOAT would not be worth adding to an article. Not sure why you think adding Ronaldo's opinion to this article would improve it. Hey man im josh (talk) 21:38, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Josh bruh im dead serious man (award to add)

Tom Brady earned a lifetime achievement award named the Laureus award created back in 2000 and Tom was voted by athletes for it in his own words in 2022 even had a interview and thank you speech with the Award in hand on April 24TH 2022 presented by David Beckham famous legendary soccer player from the UK. 47.157.236.115 (talk) 09:16, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

Why are you calling me out specifically on this? There are currently 666 people with Tom Brady on their watch page, 68 of which have visited recent edits. Please don't keep creating new sections regarding the same request, you're up to 3 different sections now for the same requests. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:36, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

Contradicting college stats

The text states that "Brady finished his career ranking third in Michigan history with 710 attempts and 442 completions, fourth with 5,351 yards" which are the numbers from https://web.archive.org/web/20151106170217/http://www.totalfootballstats.com/PlayerQB.asp?id=403, while the table has 638 attempts, 395 completions and 4,773 yards from https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/tom-brady-1.html. Does anyone know which numbers are right? — Preceding unsigned comment added by PLIDS bei Wikipedia (talk • contribs) 00:27, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Looks like the difference is because of bowl games. I'm not sure at what point NCAA started counting bowl game stats as part of one's career. —Bagumba (talk) 05:35, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

Tom Brady record

Should be amended to "widely regarded as ONE OF THE greatest quarterback(s) of all time. 2601:341:4201:EFC0:492E:1EFB:496D:E55A (talk) 23:28, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

When multiple sources say that he is widely considered "the greatest", there's no need to be less concise.—Bagumba (talk) 05:19, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

Laureus World sports award for lifetime achievement Tom Brady 2022

There’s a YouTube video of him being presented by David Beckham and he has it in his hands and gives a speech on there YouTube on April 24 2022 title is “Tom Brady-2022 Laureus Lifetime Achievement Award” can’t get better then Tom Brady himself holding the trophy and giving a speech I can assure you the award is real as can be 1000% 47.157.236.115 (talk) 05:41, 17 July 2022 (UTC)