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Hi Suggest looking at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:OTRS - that seems to be the place for copyright etc. SmithBlue (talk) 10:59, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

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Thanks. I thought that was supposed to happen automatically if I was signed in. I see my sigs on my edits. Sbwinter2 (talk) 21:30, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Your edits at Rolfing

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

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Thanks. I just want to share what it feels like to someone who does not work for wikipedia. And this may sound blunt, but it is not meant to be directed at you, but just reflect what I have felt throughout this process.

We are told we can make changes to anything (which isn't as easy as it sounds). We make a change and then almost immediately, someone deletes it without contact or comment. So we think something went wrong, and we make the change again. Again it is reversed. So we try again and again because we have no idea why some random person is reversing changes and not providing any sort of explanation at all. That sums up the problem to me. It is really the editors who are engaging in the editing war because they reverse changes and do not reach out, like you did here (although I did not even know you did until today since I don't get an email whenever someone posts to my page, or any page I have touched - wish I did), or give any rationality as to why the change was reverted back. How would the someone on the outside understand what is even going on?

What would really be helpful is if the person reversing the change could reach out and introduce themselves as an actual editor whose job it is to monitor that page. As well, if they could explain the problem and indicate why they had to remove the edit, then the person who posted would not keep trying again and again thinking it is just some troll trying to make trouble instead of an actual person who has authentic concern for the page content.

The more "mistakes" I make, the more I learn about the process. There is no way I could have assumed anything that I have had to learn the hard way. The process is that opaque. As well, I have tried the Talk pages, but have got little response, at times, to many of my questions, so that is not always the best route for trying to understand why an edit was reversed. I have also observed a lot of inconsistency of enforcement on page monitoring, as well as a lot of condescending attitude in some of the responses, as if no one should be editing the pages except for a select few. That seems opposite of wikipedia's advertised policy.

I really like wikipedia. I even donate a little money to the cause. I want to help fix incorrect info if I see it and add where I can as I can, but I wish the whole environment was more welcoming instead of threatening.

Thanks for listening. Sbwinter2 (talk) 20:55, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

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If you wish to remain anonymous and not have your IP address linked to your account, you can contact the WP:OTRS and request that they remove the edits you made while not logged in. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 20:20, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. It wasn't intentional. I actually fixed any of them immediately afterwards so that my signature actually does appear by my comments. If you look, you will see all of my comments are signed correctly.

What is happening is that it still shows me as logged in at the top until I press the save page button, and then it makes me log in again. I actually don't even realize I am not logged in until that point. Then I have to go back to the edit tab and erase the anonymous signature so I can add my own.

It is really a pain, but keeps happening to me on a few different computers (Mac and PC with cookies enabled) within the same hour, or sometimes even same 15 minutes when I haven't even left the page (I will start writing something and then come back to it five minutes later, and think I am still logged in, but I guess I timed out and didn't know it). Any suggestions?Sbwinter2 (talk) 15:49, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

It just happened again, although I wasn't in edit mode yet. If I refresh the page I am on, it shows me as still being logged in. It isn't until I go to another page that it shows I actually am not. And it isn't taking me to to a login screen, but just the same page with the Login link at the top. Now I just check every time I touch anything. Sbwinter2 (talk) 15:06, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

I suggest checking WP:HELP to see if this has been a problem for others and to (hopefully) find a solution. This sounds like a pain and as you continue to edit, making sure you are logged in is very important as well as helping preserve your anonymity. - - MrBill3 (talk) 13:12, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

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Merrily We Roll Along (musical)

Hi SB, if I may abbreviate! The synopsis you added to this article appears to be copyrighted, according to https://www.sonymusic.com/terms-and-conditions/. That's from Sony and seems like a page wrapper footer for masterworksbroadway.com, so if you have the content as freely published elsewhere outside that wrapper, please advise so we can tag the source accordingly. If not, it will have to be removed as a copyright violation. Thanks, Crow^Caw 19:44, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi. So I have seen the original. Since the 1994 description has no reference (clearly just written by someone), if I can't find something else, and just end up doing that, would that be ok? I think it is important to include a description of the original since it is so different in meaningful ways. On the webpage, the actual attribution is to a specific person. I will first see who that person is.--Sbwinter2 (talk) 02:10, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

@Sbwinter2: Hi, I saw you message today, sorry I've been away for a bit. If you write the description in your own words, using the source as a reference, then that's perfect. Just be sure to cite the source which it looks like you do anyway. As long as the content is in your own words, then its fine to use a copyrighted source, which is the way most content here is done. Regarding your message on my talk page, to let someone know you've responded to them, just do {{ping|Crow}} and it will pop a red message in the browser. I did that for this message, which you can see if you edit the page. Any questions, feel free to ask! Crow^Caw 19:08, 15 January 2017 (UTC)