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Homeric Hymns scheduled for TFA

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Hi UC, I have switched this to 1 August. Gog the Mild (talk) 19:54, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

TFA

story · music · places

Thank you today for Alan Wace, "about a leading light of Mycenaean archaeology, and one whose full story has only relatively recently come to light. Wace has long been known for his excavations at Mycenae, particularly his work on the various fancifully-named tombs like "Atreus", "Aegisthus" and "Clytemnestra", and less widely for his spat with the formidable Arthur Evans. Though labelled as a "heretic" and drummed out of the British School at Athens, Wace's iconoclastic rejection of the idea that Mycenaean Greece was a dependent province of a Minoan thalassocracy was ultimately proven true and, depending on who you ask, may be the conclusive proof that Greek culture can trace an unbroken line back to the Bronze Age. Less well known until recently was his wartime espionage work: he worked in British intelligence during both World Wars and was a major link in the chain of monitoring and concealing secret agents in the Eastern Mediterranean."! -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:36, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, Gerda! UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 16:14, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

My story today is - because of the anniversary of the premiere OTD in 1782 - about Die Entführung aus dem Serail, opera by Mozart, while yesterday's was - because of the TFA - about Les contes d'Hoffmann, opera by Offenbach, - so 3 times Mozart if you click on "music" ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:27, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Today's story is about a photographer who took iconic pictures, especially View from Williamsburg, Brooklyn, on Manhattan, 9/11, yesterday's was a great mezzo, and on Thursday we watched a sublime ballerina. If that's not enough my talk offers chamber music from two amazing concerts. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:07, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Begging bowl again

Can I interest you in a combative Anglican bishop? I have Hensley Henson up for FAC, and would love to hear from you if you have time and disposition. Tim riley talk 16:06, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Of course -- will certainly take a look. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 17:56, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

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Request for a PR

Hi UC, your comments were very helpful at the FAC for Galatian War. I responded to them but I don't think you could check them out since the coords closed it too prematurely, which has happened with me quite a few times. Nevertheless, do you think you could contribute to a peer review to improve the article, what with your busy schedule? I'm thinking of opening a PR but am not sure since I see most PRs barely get 1 reviewer, who is most often the PR coordinator. Thanks in advance Matarisvan (talk) 14:34, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello -- feel free to ping me if it does come up at PR, and I'll do my best to have a look in. However, I remember that Gog advised you to put it first to the Guild of Copyeditors, and then to a Milhist A-Class review: have you done either of those yet? In general, I think the points I made at the time about prose and the divide between Wikivoice facts and scholars' interpretations would still be my first comments if it came back to FAC. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 15:49, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi UC, thanks for your response. As to why I have not submitted the article for a GoCE review, my reasoning is that the Earwig tool shows a 19.4% probability of copyvio, and the phrases it says are copyvios are just the author and title names of the sources used. You can check that out yourself if this is doubtful, and I don't know why Gog suggested a GoCE review at all. As for the WPMH A class review, I want to get one but my experience has not been great there. I've not gotten any comments on an article I put up there, and even though I comment on all A class reviews now, I don't think I would be able to close a review there before 3-4 months pass by. Which is why a PR seems to be the best option. Please let me know what you think about this. Thanks in advance Matarisvan (talk) 17:42, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

I think you may be confused on the meaning of "copyedit" -- to copyedit an article is to look at its prose, grammar, clarity and spelling -- in other words, everything except the factual content. Copyvio and copyediting sound similar but are totally different things! Personally, I think Gog has it right: if you put it to those two places and nobody bites for three months, then it might be worth having another conversation about alternatives. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 18:15, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi UC, my bad. As you said, I got confused between copyvios and copywriting. As to putting the article up at either of GoCE or WPMH, I don't think Gog stipulated this as a compulsorily chronological order to be followed before a PR, wdyt? Anyways, I have opened a PR and would appreciate your comments. Thanks in advance Matarisvan (talk) 09:07, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

It's your decision, but I think Gog's advice was wise and I would take it in your position. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 09:29, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi UC, I agree and I would be open to getting reviews at GoCE and WPMH if a PR doesn't yield much, but initial comments are promising. I've linked to the PR here, I would appreciate your comments as always. Thanks in advance and cheers. Matarisvan (talk) 08:13, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

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Please do not introduce links in actual articles to user pages or sandboxes, as you did at Alfred Biliotti. Since these pages have not been accepted as articles, user pages, sandboxes and drafts are not suitable for linking in articles. and such links are contrary to the Manual of Style. These links have been deleted, please do not re-add any such links, thank you - Arjayay (talk) 09:33, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

@Arjayay: thanks for fixing -- I'd moved the page from Userspace, but set the link up badly, so that it linked to the userspace version. I've now added the correct section link. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 09:36, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

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		I struggle to find words to express my gratitude and admiration for your rigorous but delightful comments at FAC. Bless you! Tim riley talk 18:45, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

And I continue to struggle to believe your patience with them -- I am glad that they seem useful. Always a pleasure to read such well-crafted articles about such interesting topics. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 20:48, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Reply

Hi. I do not want the FAC to be flooded because of my ignorance since this is my first time. But yeah, I actually followed the pattern at the FA Jill Valentine. Since you said that it needs a good look, I guess the only thing I can do is wait for the spot-check/source reviewer. Anyway, I really appreciate your feedback, and many thanks for your time. I'm so sorry for that. 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔) 11:56, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

Nothing to apologise for -- I think you've done a good job with the article, and FAC is always about finding areas where it can be further improved -- as it says at the top of the page, it's taken as read that the article has lots of good things about it, because it would hardly have got to a nomination if it didn't! UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 12:01, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

Many thanks! Well, I guess all I had to do was hope that the spotchecker wouldn't find significant issues since we all tried our best with it. Regards. 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔) 12:05, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

When I said it "needs a good look", I had in mind that you would be the one to carry it out -- I'm talking about the next step in writing/polishing the article, not in reviewing it. If I were you, I would read over again the sources that talk about sexuality/sexualisation, find out what they base their comments on, and build that into the article. If you find that it's not based on a whole lot, then the article itself needs to reflect that. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 12:09, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

The sexuality/sexualisation part is at 2nd and 3rd paragraph right? I will admit that these sources are kinda complicated, but I will try to take a look and check it again for the 3rd time. Thanks again 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔) 12:16, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

The issue is the overall flow of what is and isn't in the article, so I would look at the article as a whole, once you've reviewed the sources. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 13:02, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

I already checked the sources from 2nd-3rd paragraph and made several changes. 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔) 13:33, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

Update: My co-nominator already checked what I rewrote and he is already satisfied. Thanks! 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔) 11:21, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

@UndercoverClassicist Would you able to continue your review? People might wonder why we haven't finished yet. Sorry for badgering. 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔) 12:38, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Reviews don't necessarily end in a statement of support or opposition -- here, I don't think I have anything to add to what I've already written. It's good that your co-nominator is satisfied with the text, but in my opinion the substance of what I wrote in the review remains true. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 14:55, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

@UndercoverClassicist Thanks. Your feedback was very helpful since you were absolutely right that some sentences at the reception before needs to be rewritten. 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔) 22:47, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

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TFA again

story · music · places

Thank you today for Homeric Hymns, introduced: "This article is probably the "biggest", in all of technical challenge, subject matter, viewing numbers and sheer mass, that I've ever taken on. The Homeric Hymns are a hodge-podge corpus of Greek poems: neither meaningfully "Homeric" nor technically all "Hymns", but an interesting and until-lately quite neglected area of ancient literature. Most survive only in fragments and at least two were discovered by chance in an eighteenth-century barn, but we have them to thank for, among other stories, the most famous retelling of the myth of Demeter and Persephone. I have done my best to chart the winding thread of the Hymns' influence, from most of the greatest hits of ancient literature, to some pretty obscure late antique and medieval works, through to a surprisingly wide slice of modern culture: Botticelli, Goethe, Shelley, Ezra Pound, James Joyce, Alfred Hitchcock and Neil Gaiman. If you like arcane textual criticism and ridiculously long bibliographies, this one's for you. If you don't, I hope you'll give it a look anyway." -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:46, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

Incidentally, my topic of the day was Oedipus ;) - help with it's creator appreciated! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:45, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

Ha -- one of many Oedipuses! Of course; do let me know if it comes up at PR or FAC. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 09:06, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. I list articles for review here, and have a FAC and a GA, - would like BWV 101 a GA when it will turn 300 on 13 August ;) - Today I have two "musicians" on the Main page, one is also the topic of my story, watch and listen, - I like today's especially because you see him at work, hear him talk about his work and the result of his work - rare! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:42, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

... and a third, like 22 July but with interview and the music to be played today --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:49, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

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I'm sorry I didn't have much to say, this was the closest to a quickpass I've been. Congrats on (another) GA! Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 09:42, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you -- your point on MOS:NOFORCELINK is well taken; I've put a brief explanation of my thinking on the review page. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 10:25, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi

Can we talk before I think of another nomination? Wolverine XI ^{(talk to me)} 22:23, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

I think that before talking and certainly before another nom, you need to go through the comments of your previous FACs and do the hard graft of sorting out the sources, ensuring you have only the highest quality ones in the article, and ensuring the text aligns to them properly. - SchroCat (talk) 05:13, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

Can you please be clear as to what is wrong? I want to know how I didn't address the sourcing issues. Wolverine XI ^{(talk to me)} 07:29, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

You have received excellent advice on this already -- the reviews so far have raised serious cause for concern about whether the cited sources actually support what they are meant to. As DWF said:

You should review every single statement and double-check that it corresponds to the cited reference. This should not be anyone else's problem to fix, certainly not peer review, because source reviewing is already a thankless job. The responsibility is yours here.

You also received excellent advice from Mike in the last FAC, and again I can do no better than to urge you to take it. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 10:11, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

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