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Capitalization issues

I have noticed several capitalization issues in the articles about television episodes that you have updated. Please note that all forms of the verb "to be", e.g. "is" and "am", are always capitalized in a title. I have already corrected this in the following articles that you frequently edit:

• Big Sky (American TV series)
• Chicago Med (season 5)
• Chicago Med (season 4)
• Chicago P.D. (season 3)
• List of The Neighborhood episodes
• Clarice (TV series) (here is the first edit where I noticed incorrect capitalization: [1])

Would you please correct this in any other articles that you edit as well? Nicholas0 (talk) 22:47, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

I am aware of MOS:CT. I just forget to fix to the episode titles after I copied and pasted them (only when I am the one who added the episode titles that is). — YoungForever^(talk) 02:17, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

Guidelines for crediting Recurring Guest Stars on Wikipedia

I'm a bit confused as to what the guidelines are for crediting recurring guest stars on Wikipedia and who decided that a recurring guest star is a guest star that that has "recurred in 4 episodes", as that is not industry standard. Is this a Wikipedia guideline, or is this determined by you? I am asking this specific to your edits on the Vampire Academy Television series page (which you seem to be mainly editing solo) and the fact that even though 2 recurring guest stars are in exactly the same boat, you keep removing one, while keeping the other, even though they are both indicated in Variety, a "verifiable", certifiable source, that they are both "recurring guest stars". Not to mention that the one you keep deleting is based on a character in the books, while the other isn't. I'd appreciate a clarification as to what you're basing the credibility of your edits on, besides looking at end credits, as they are not the only source. Bubanti 1 (talk) 09:16, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

4 or 5 episodes is recurring, is the general consensus on MOS:TV and/or WP:TV Talk archives. You did not provide a reliable source to confirm to be recurring nor did they appear in at least 4 episodes yet. — YoungForever^(talk) 14:42, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Yes I did include the Variety article the first time I submitted the edit, a reliable source. You just didn’t pay attention. A white actress is yet to appear in 4 episodes and your vigilance does not extend to removing her name from the page. This is bias and can only suggest racial motivation, as the black actor is clearly being held to a different standard to his white counterpart. I was under the impression that Wikipedia pages are group source, edited; this does not feel this way, as I find myself having to justify to YOU what makes an entry valid and meets your approval. Instead of communicating, you keep deleting the entry. Having interacted with other editors/contributors before, this is the most passive aggressive I’ve experienced. Bubanti 1 (talk) 21:57, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Your accusations of bias and racial motivation are baseless. You were using IMDb as a source and IMDb is not a reliable source. I checked the the page history of the article, you certainly did not add any reliable source. — YoungForever^(talk) 22:35, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Claiming it does not make it so. I added the IMDb link the 3rd time I added the edit, not the first time I mentioned. Again, please pay attention. You can prove my claims are baseless, by confirming that when I re-add the entry with the link to the Variety article, that you won’t decide that YOU don’t consider one of the industry’s top publications that broke the story exclusively in all media outlets round the world would be considered an unreliable source…. Bubanti 1 (talk) 23:13, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

And again…not all the actors mentioned in the article, whose names/credit you have not deleted , have appeared in 4:5 episodes yet. Bubanti 1 (talk) 23:16, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Yes, the current Recurring cast have appeared in at least 4 episodes. I have watched the episodes and their end credits up to the latest episode. Here is your first edit on the article that you did not provide a reliable source. Here is your second edit on the article that you also did not provide a reliable source. These are the only edits you made on the article so far. — YoungForever^(talk) 23:26, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

I did it 3 times actually. I am still unclear as to whether the Variety article counts as a reliable source in your world or not. https://variety.com/2022/tv/news/vampire-academy-recurring-guest-cast-announcement-exclusive-tv-news-roundup-1235344727/amp/ It clearly states who recurring guest stars are; so does this: https://comicbook.com/horror/amp/news/vampire-academy-casts-8-new-guest-stars-peacock-tv-series/, a slightly expanded version with some of the actor’s previous credits to boot. Variety and Deadline are the 2 biggest Hollywood publications. So what’s the problem here? Bubanti 1 (talk) 23:39, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Variety is a reliable source. However, you did not add the reliable source on the article itself. The proof is the article's page history. — YoungForever^(talk) 23:43, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

I’ve re-added the credit with the Variety article. In accordance with the requirement that Recurring characters mentioned in the Wikipedia article are to be “reliably sourced and/OR confirmed to make 4+ appearances in the series” and not co-stars, the Variety article should suffice. Bubanti 1 (talk) 00:21, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Again, you did not added the reliable source. I just did that under the Casting subsection under Production. — YoungForever^(talk) 00:29, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Sure. Whatever this is, it will have to change to exactly what I am stating. I look forward to the appropriate changes being made and proper respect given where it’s due, on 13th October. The truth will always prevail. Bubanti 1 (talk) 00:46, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Interview with the Vampire

Have you seen the title card at the conclusion of the season finale? It has already been confirmed that the first season is part 1 of the story. No need to undo anything. There's nothing wrong with the title of the season. Ask Westworld or any other show who titled their respective seasons.2603:9000:A006:B2AB:8478:3F4D:F8B1:1626 (talk) 2603:9000:A006:B2AB:8478:3F4D:F8B1:1626 (talk) 20:15, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

It doesn't matter because the second season is yet to premiere, WP:NOTCRYSTAL. We do not add the series overview table until there is an episode table for the second season. We do not add an episode table until at least two columns are filled with reliable source(s). — YoungForever^(talk) 20:26, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Paradise PD

Sorry I messed up. I was going to put animated sitcom, but ended up removing animated and leaving animation. CartoonnewsCP (talk) 21:27, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Pantheon

Hi, this is Darnoldacle, the guy who did the edits on Pantheon that you reverted. First off, I'd like to apologize for not properly sourcing the edits I made. However, I have recently finished the series itself, and those are the full names of the characters. In fact, the summary section of the article gives both the Kim family, Caspian, and Chanda's surnames. Again, I will not revert the edits you made, and I must apologize if I came off as insulting; I simply wanted to state that my edits are, in fact, accurate. Thank you for hearing me out. Darnoldacle (talk) 16:11, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

@Darnoldacle: Mentioned of surnames on episodes are not going to cut it. Per MOS:TVCAST, we go by according to credits and/or reliable source(s). As I stated, they are only credited with first names only which are even reliably sourced. — YoungForever^(talk) 16:15, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

How are mentions of surnames in episodes not a reliable source? Per Wikipedia:Reliable sources#Definition of a source The piece of work itself (the article, book) is the source. Listing in the credit is not the sole source alone. How else is Katie Chang credited as "Maddie Kim" even though the character name never shows up in the credits? Tehdang (talk) 14:22, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

That's not how primary source works. Per MOS:TVCAST, All names should be referred to as credited, or by common name supported by a reliable source. — YoungForever^(talk) 23:32, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Silly Mountain (Arizona)

Good evening @YoungForever! Due to an Educational Project, my team and I were creating this draft: Draft:Silly Mountain (Arizona) - as you can see on the Talk Page-. We were thinking to publish it, but we want to ask your thought, in order to improve some parts or to fix something wrong. Could we ask you for your opinion? Thanks in advance! Team5DTVanessa (talk) 17:30, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

There seemed to have enough reliable sources to pass WP:GNG. I would recommend going through WP:AFC using the {{AfC submission}} though. — YoungForever^(talk) 18:03, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

@YoungForever Many thanks for your quick response! I've added the "subst:submit" template to the article. If you have any kind of suggestion, we are ready to listen to you. Team5DTVanessa (talk) 18:35, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Draft: Velca Design

I hope not to bother @YoungForever, me and other users had to create (for an Educational Project) this draft page: Draft: Velca Design, we have submitted it on 9th of December and we wanted to kindly ask you if you could have a look and tell us how to improve it in order to fix all the mistakes. Thank you for your time.Fraliuc2 (talk) 14:18, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

The Early years and Velca designers sections need more reliable sources. Other that, I do not know much because I am not familiar with WP:NCORP. — YoungForever^(talk) 01:10, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

Draft: Dylan O'Donnell

Good afternoon @YoungForever! Me and a group of other students are working on creating an article on Wikipedia for an Educational Project. The Draft is the following: Draft: Dylan O'Donnell; we have submitted it for review on 14th of December and we are looking forward to receiving any feedback. Therefore, we would be glad if you could review it, telling us if it needs any improovements or if there are any mistakes that have to be fixed. Thanks in advance for your time!LIUCLucrezia03 (talk) 19:41, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

List of Yellowstone (American TV series) episodes

It looks like Yellowstone is currently slated as two sets of seven episodes each for this season; however the plot summary table is currently set up in the old format. What is the correct path for this? ErnestKrause (talk) 15:44, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

It depends if the Paramount Network label them in press releases and streaming platforms as part 1 and part 2 or not. If not, it stays as it is. — YoungForever^(talk) 16:43, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

You mean as in episodes 1 through 14? I guess the Wikipedia table for summaries will need to be expanded; I haven't seen announcement for the episode titles past the current one that just aired. Do you have all the 14 episode titles? ErnestKrause (talk) 17:16, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

The episode titles of upcoming episodes haven't been released yet. We can't add them until there are reliable sources to confirm them. — YoungForever^(talk) 17:28, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

Call Me Kat

Okay, okay! I didn't know I was doing anything wrong by putting (season 1-3) up. Take it easy! 2603:6010:8B45:FA00:DD35:3D5C:94FB:F338 (talk) 17:48, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

Happy New Year, YoungForever!

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Assist

Greetings, can you please help improving the Power Universe article. shelovesneo (talk) 22:51, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

Draft: Will Trent

Just noticed that you moved 'Will Trent (TV series)' to 'Draft:Will Trent'. Though I've had a Wikipedia account for quote a while, I'm new to article contribution. Any comments on what it needs? I thought the references were at least good enough to keep it as a stub, but I presume you disagree. Oloryn (talk) 21:50, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

It fails WP:GNG and WP:TVSERIES because all it has is an episode table. It needs a Production section which includes Development and Casting information with reliable sources. — YoungForever^(talk) 22:00, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the help so far on this. Oloryn (talk) 04:15, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

Since non-free images can't be included in Draft pages, I presume putting an image in the infobox can be deferred until this is out of draft status? Oloryn (talk) 19:56, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

There is no rush. — YoungForever^(talk) 20:56, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

Re moving the character links. I thought I had read somewhere that links should be done only the first time the target gets mentioned in an article. Had not read that it should be once per section. Oloryn (talk) 00:54, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

MOS:TVCAST

Regarding your recent revert on The Recruit (American TV series), what am I supposed to see in MOS:TVCAST? All I see is "All names should be referred to as credited, or by common name supported by a reliable source." Character names don't appear in the credits in any form, and their last names are occasionally used in the episodes, which is a reliable source. Did you have some other reliable source in mind? Dan Bloch (talk) 22:45, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

When they were cast, their characters only had first names which are reliably sourced under Casting. Mentioned of surnames here and there on episodes are not going to cut it because they are referred using their characters' first names only. Here are the multiple sources under Casting with first names of their characters only:

• Zorrilla, Mónica Marie (November 12, 2021). "Noah Centineo's Netflix Spy Drama Adds Series Regulars and Guest Cast". Variety. Retrieved October 3, 2022.
• Petski, Denise (November 12, 2021). "Noah Centineo's Netflix CIA Drama Series Sets Seven Series Regulars". Deadline. Retrieved October 3, 2022.
• Cordero, Rosy (September 24, 2022). "Noah Centineo's Netflix CIA Series Titled 'The Recruit'; Premiere Date & First Look Photo Revealed At Tudum". Deadline. Retrieved October 3, 2022.— YoungForever^(talk) 23:44, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

		The Anti-Flame Barnstar
		For keeping your cool and defending Wikipedia policy on Velma (TV series) from the countless IPs, thank you 🙂 Johnson524 (Talk!) 04:44, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

While I personally agree that calling the show 'mixed' with reviews is quite generous, policy is policy, and I felt that I had to thank you for being the only one to defend it, even among a plethora of personal attacks. You're appreciated, cheers! Johnson524 (Talk!) 04:48, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

Night Court episode summaries

I'm wondering why you reverted my edits. The short summary has been used for a brief episode summary in every TV show I could find, such as Cheers, The Big Bang Theory and Night Court. If you could point out where I'm wrong, I'd appreciate it. Not trying to argue, but the filler text literally says it's for a description in your own words. Bkatcher (talk) 05:11, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

@Bkatcher: Per MOS:TVPLOT, episode summaries should be about 100 to 200 words in length. What you wrote is considered be episode loglines or teasers. — YoungForever^(talk) 05:28, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

I can make it longer if you like. I know some people tend to go crazy with the details so I was trying to avoid that. Thank you. Bkatcher (talk) 12:47, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

WP:DONTTEMPLATE

I meant no disrespect! I just find using WP:TWINKLE is a quick way to send a reminder. Plus I didn't check to see you were a regular. No offense meant, just a we all make typos thing. Hope you are well. Zackmann (^{Talk to me}/_{What I been doing}) 19:03, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

		The Civility Barnstar
		For keeping cool through all that crap. You're an example everyone should follow. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 19:16, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

@Ivanvector: I always try my best to keep it civil even when discussions get very heated. — YoungForever^(talk) 19:23, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

Velma chaos

Hello, I closed some of the Velma discussions since none of them go anywhere and are far from constructive or helpful (not because of you, of course). In case you disagree, you can remove the edits, since you have been caught in quite a discussion with the unregistered user. I just thought it was about time to end them. I also thought about archiving them, but I have no experience with wikipedia archives yet. Vestigium Leonis (talk) 22:56, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

Personally, I would not archive them. I posted on WP:ANI and ask another admin to put them on their watchlist as Ivanvector is away on vacation. — YoungForever^(talk) 23:05, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

Clayton James/So Help Me Todd

Hello! Just to clear something up, I only watched a few episodes of the series and didn't pay attention to the "starring/guest starring/co-starring" stuff. I looked on IMDb and saw he was credited in 13 episodes. I would like to know, is it a wikipedia policy/rule/guideline not to list co-stars in recurring? Or just a personal preference among some editors? I've tried finding it and had no luck. -–ACase0000 (talk) 20:46, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

FYI, co-starring are not recurring nor guest starring, co-starring are actors who are below guest starring and have super minor roles. It is a standard and common practice to not list co-starring or featured actors on MOS:TV and WP:TV. If you want to add them go to IMDb or Fandom. — YoungForever^(talk) 20:55, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Fantasy Island

What is it with all the PAs with this page? I started following because it was a topic on one of the user talk pages I watch, and every week there is always some PA against Amaury and now you. – Callmemirela 🍁 04:00, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

@Callmemirela: Sockpuppet IP addresses continue to ignore the established consensus and just refused to "get the point". They are also personal attacking administrators who blocked them. — YoungForever^(talk) 04:15, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Episode table min columns

Hello YoungForever. I was wondering if using a minimum of two filled columns in an episode table is documented in an MOS or similar guideline somewhere, or if it just a general good practice thing to only present useful info without clutter. Do you know? I think it is good practice practice; I just didn’t know if there’s something to point to or not. Thanks, 2pou (talk) 05:20, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@2pou: From my understanding, it is a common practice on WP:TV and MOS:TV. This is because some editors would just have airdates on the Episode table and nothing else or episode titles and nothing else, making the entire Episode table pretty much empty. Having the just year is not enough to warrant the rows. — YoungForever^(talk) 05:46, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

TV series actors in Lede

When adding actors in the lede, are guest characters included? Gamowebbed (talk) 09:33, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

No, only starring cast members are in the lede. — YoungForever^(talk) 16:33, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

thank you Gamowebbed (talk) 15:36, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

Invitation

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"Fatal Attraction (upcoming TV series)" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Fatal Attraction (upcoming TV series) has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Anyone, including you, is welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 November 5 § Fatal Attraction (upcoming TV series) until a consensus is reached. Steel1943 (talk) 23:58, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

Monarch: Legacy of Monsters

I see no reason for this to result in removal as the second season is confirmed to be in development and planned for release next year. The source I cited is literally the Writers Guild of America. Eiga-Kevin2 (talk) 06:02, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

@Eiga-Kevin2: WGA never stated explicitly that it is in development nor said it is planned to release next year, that's WP:SYNTH which part of WP:OR. It doesn't mean squat when it is yet to renew. WGA sometimes include multiple seasons, but we never include potential seasons unless it was reported by secondary sources such as Deadline Hollywood, TVLine, The Hollywood Reporter, Variety, and etc., saying "another season is in development" or a "planned another season". It has always been like this on MOS:TV and WP:TV. — YoungForever^(talk) 06:11, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

I didn't say WGA were the ones that said its in development, they just list the release date. A journalist/filmmaker with heavy Legandary connections whom I spoke to on Twitter, KDM/Timo Rose, confirmed it has been written and will get greenlit if the show succeeds.

https://twitter.com/KDM_Monsters/status/1732848227051827486 Eiga-Kevin2 (talk) 06:24, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

@Eiga-Kevin2: That's not a reliable source. A tweet from Twitter account without a verified checkmark is not a reliable source. Speaking to someone is not a reliable source because it is considered to be WP:OR. — YoungForever^(talk) 06:30, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Says who? Eiga-Kevin2 (talk) 06:32, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

@Eiga-Kevin2: Please see WP:RSPTWITTER, WP:TWITTER, and WP:TWITTER-EL. — YoungForever^(talk) 06:37, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

I shall ask him to get verified then so he can be cited as a reliable source. Eiga-Kevin2 (talk) 08:36, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

@Eiga-Kevin2: Word of mouth is not a reliable source. The K-D-M's Twitter account also seemed to be a questionable because Timo Rose is not even an executive producer, writer, director, nor even any ties to Monarch: Legacy of Monsters at all. He seemed to be just a fan. — YoungForever^(talk) 16:40, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Yeah well the funny thing is he often posts about his latest film too, and I've seen interviews with Rose online, its the exact same person shown interviewing Monarch cast member Baek Bruce in this video posted by KDM account here. Not to mention the va rious publications he's written regarding the Monsterverse. Eiga-Kevin2 (talk) 17:43, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

@Eiga-Kevin2: Nowadays, anyone who have a podcast can interview any D-list actors. — YoungForever^(talk) 18:54, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Happy Holidays

Peace is a state of balance and understanding in yourself and between others, where respect is gained by the acceptance of differences, tolerance persists, conflicts are resolved through dialog, people's rights are respected and their voices are heard, and everyone is at their highest point of serenity without social tension. Happy Holidays to you and yours. ―Buster7 ☎

Thank you, Buster7. You, too. — YoungForever^(talk) 22:03, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

Carol & The End of The World

Hi YoungForever,

I know that co-executive producer isn't the same as an EP, but there doesn't seem to be a way to create a new line on the page for a co-EP, and Kevin Arrieta's role in the show's creation is significant enough that he should be mentioned. Is there another space where one of us could enter this information? Corgi tits 69 (talk) 00:13, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

We certainly do not include co-executive producers nor co-producers. Please see WP:INDISCRIMINATE. — YoungForever^(talk) 01:31, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

I understand your caution about overloading the page with the names of minor players. But considering that people with roles junior to Co-EP are listed, it seems as though co-EP belongs in the same space. Corgi tits 69 (talk) 02:14, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

That is incorrect. There are guidelines and policies on Wikipedia whether you like it or not. There were multiple discussions why we do not include co-executive producers and co-producers on the {{Infobox television}}. — YoungForever^(talk) 02:35, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

I think you've misunderstood my intention here, which is not to flout Wikipedia's rules or to circumvent your input, but to flesh out the page of this series. KA's creative influence over this show is larger than merely co-writing the episodes, but this information is not yet reflected on the page, which is a significant omission.

I can see you care very much about Wikipedia and its quality standards. Where does the aforementioned information belong, if not in the box? I didn't immediately see discussion on co-EPs on the Infobox page, but obviously you've been part of these conversations much longer than I have, so I take your word for it. Corgi tits 69 (talk) 03:31, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

Note on your AIV report

(Moved from WT:AIV, where I had erroneously posted it):

I blocked the IP you reported for two weeks. I am just letting you know this to advise you that in the future, please avoid describing an IP as NOTHERE. I know Twinkle or Huggle sometimes includes it as a drop-down menu item, but ... NOTHERE is strictly for registered accounts. An IP can never be NOTHERE as in almost all cases we cannot block them indefinitely.

Not that it takes anything away from your patrolling, but ... it has happened that admins new to reviewing AIV reports see language that and block indef.

Just thought you should know ... Daniel Case (talk) 18:33, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

@Daniel Case: Can you explain more why WP:NOTHERE is only for registered accounts? It is doesn't say so on there nor on WP:BLOCK. On WP:BLOCK, it says Blocks may be applied to user accounts, to IP addresses, and to IP address ranges, for either a definite or an indefinite time, to all or a subset of pages. Blocked users can continue to access Wikipedia, but cannot edit any page they are blocked from (including, if appropriate, their own user pages). — YoungForever^(talk) 19:02, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Well, since NOTHERE by definition calls for an indefinite block, and accounts are at least supposed to be used by the same person while we cannot assume that IPs will never be used by the same person or people as those who incurred the block, we don't block IPs indefinitely. Ever (with the exception of the ones associated with the Church of Scientology, and that was only because ArbCom decided it was the only remedy for repeated abuse.

That passage you quoted is unfortunately poorly worded (it reads like it was written years ago). Current understanding is more accurately reflected here:

Some behaviour by users, for example egregious threats and harassment, is so extreme that an indefinite block of the user is warranted. There are also some Wikipedia policies, for example Wikipedia:No legal threats and Wikipedia:Sock puppetry where an indefinite block of the user is suggested. These indefinite periods apply to users and not their IP addresses. While the user may be considered indefinitely blocked and subsequently blocked on sight, the IP addresses they use should only be blocked for as long as they are likely to remain assigned to the same user.

Daniel Case (talk) 19:15, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the note and explaining more. — YoungForever^(talk) 19:22, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

List of Grown-ish episodes

@YoungForever, I have reverted one of your edits on List of Grown-ish episodes temporarily in order to fix vandalism. I have went ahead and reapplied your changes manually. Thank you, ItsCheck (talk) 01:02, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

So Help Me Todd

i am the creator of SO HELP ME TODD on CBS. I have edited the page recently to update it with new characters. You keep removing my edits. I am not lying about the new characters. They are appearing in Season 2. Why are you deleting my edits? My name is Scott Prendergast and if you google my name you can find my phone number. Call me and identify yourself as YOUNGFOREVER and I'll verify that I am who i say i am. Please stop deleting my edits. I'm not wrong. i created the show. 104.63.243.138 (talk) 07:42, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

It doesn't matter because you are WP:CONFLICT so, you can't edit the article yourself. — YoungForever^(talk) 20:39, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Oops, thanks for the reversions/corrections.

They can often be silly, but in this case, they were on point. I misread the sources. Thanks for the reversions/corrections on each page for Younger. KjOKheyhey (talk) 18:14, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

Chicago Fire season 12 and Chicago P.D. season 11 articles

I see an article was made for Chicago Med (Season 9), is it possible for someone to start an article for the other two shows respective seasons? Brianis19 (talk) 04:34, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

Chicago Med (season 9) fails WP:NFTV and WP:GNG. Not enough to warrant the season article at all. Having just an episode table and ratings are not enough to have a season article. — YoungForever^(talk) 05:26, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

Monarch: Legacy of Monsters situation

Hi @YoungForever, so I don't know if you ever had the Monarch: Legacy of Monsters page on your watchlist, but I've been dealing with this user who has been making unconstructive edits based on his personal preference. I've been reverting his edits multiple times and he is still keep doing it. He's basically edit warring and I'm so fed up with this bs. And to make matters worse, he literally called me a whore. This is literally what he said in the edit summary: "Take your own advice, entitled fuckin# dipsh#t whore. Who are you to complain when you do same thing, hypocrite? Your talk page says a lot about you. How about you jack off instead and stop writing cringe AI generated shit comebacks?" The user's name is 101.115.177.248 and he won't stop reverting my edits unless I stop reverting his. Either you block him from editing or have the Monarch: Legacy of Monsters page semi-protected for at least 3 months. This is why I have trust issues with IP users. They vandalize Wikipedia pages and I'm always the one who has to deal with this mess. Mxhyn16 (talk) 23:02, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

I am not an administrator, you will need to report the IP address on WP:AIV or request semi-protection for the article on WP:RFPP. — YoungForever^(talk) 23:35, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

On Young Sherlock (British TV series)

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Hi YoungForever! This should be the first time we talk, nice to meet you!

First of all, thanks for correcting my pre-mature update on the premiere of Snowpiercer yesterday. However, I have to say that I disagree with your edits on Interior Chinatown (TV series). Waititi's involvement as director of the pilot was already mentioned in Development. Citing it again is simply an overkill, similar to why the Cast is left uncited, as it is already verifiable. Chill out though, I just want to explain my edits instead of questioning your judgment, and I genuinely appreciate your efforts on patrolling TV articles.

Anyway, I am writing because it has come to my attention that the page creator of Young Sherlock (British TV series) has recreated the article, which was previously draftified under the title "Young Sherlock (TV series)". I think it should still be taken as an objection from the page creator, and it would be better to reach a consensus through a discussion on the talk page, if not, nominating an AFD, to prevent an editing/moving war. I did not file a deletion myself, as I conducted a BEFORE and found sources mentioning the series would commence filming in July,[2] so I am not entirely confident it would fail NFTV. However, since you were the last one to revert the article to a redirect, you may have a different perspective on this. I thought it would be best to bring this to your attention.

Courtesy pinging User:2pou who first draftified Young Sherlock as well. Cheers and happy editing to both of you!! —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 19:37, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

That is not a reliable source (from other removals of its use that I have seen), and it predates the claimed start of filming, but thank you for the courtesy ping. I have come across a separate reliable source published after the fact making the claim, though. I will resolve this preserving the original attribution history, and if the thin claim to satisfying WP:NTV with basically a single line arises, it can be taken to AfD. Regards, 2pou (talk) 19:47, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

@Prince of Erebor: When an episode is yet to release on the Episode table, it needs to be reliably sourced. If you think the episode table doesn't need to be reliably sourced because it is already in the Development section, you are sadly mistaken. Please see MOS:TVEPISODE. This is standard and a common practice on MOS:TV and WP:TV. It doesn't matter if it is reliably sourced in another section, the Episode table still needs to be reliably source when episodes are yet to air/release. Here is an example where the reliable source covers the entire row except the airdate so, that's why the date needs to be reliably source separately. — YoungForever^(talk) 20:06, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

@2pou: Thanks for your prompt response and follow-up actions. Yes, The Cinemaholic is indeed not a reliable source. I have only conducted a brief search, and there may be better sources out there. I was simply raising it to you guys in case the series has started filming, as that would not make it an entirely uncontroversial deletion. I was drawn to the creation of this article, and thought it would be necessary to inform those who may be concerned given its history, but I completely defer to your judgment on the fate of the article. —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 21:46, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

YoungForever, please do not misunderstand, I am totally with you on the importance of citing sources. As I said, I was only just trying to explain my reasoning. I am familiar with MOS:TV enough to know the episode table only requires citations of reliable secondary sources, without strict requirements explicitly stating on where to cite the sources, while WP:WTC universally applies to all sources, including television articles. That was why I initially felt overkilling a citation was not necessary when it was already verifiable. Your suggestion about repeat citation of sources commonly seen in episode tables is certainly true, and I do not mind duplicating the ref tag once more. I was simply trying to clarify that neither of us was necessarily wrong in our approaches per guidelines. Sorry if this caused any misunderstandings, and I mean it when I said I appreciate your efforts in patrolling. Cheers and happy editing! —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 21:46, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

@Prince of Erebor: FYI, WP:WTC says nothing about television articles. In case, you are not aware, MOS:TVEPISODE is part of the MOS:TV guideline. MOS:TV overrides WP:WTC. The episode table needs to be reliably sourced when episodes are yet to air/release because some editors will add episode titles, directors, writers, airdates, and etc. to the entire table without any reliable source, most likely pulling the information from IMDb. — YoungForever^(talk) 22:27, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Emmm... Hi YoungForever, I think I have already made it clear in my previous comment. I never denied that content needs to be reliably sourced, and yes, I am referring to the same MOS:TVEPISODE, where it only requires credits to be reliably sourced by secondary sources, without directly stating where the sources have to be placed. Yes, it is true that MOS are guidelines, and WTC itself as an essay has no actual bindings due to a lack of editor consensus. But it is an explanatory essay to WP:V, which is a policy that universally applies to all articles, and is literally why citations are needed in the first place. I know what I am doing. I made that edit because I saw the content was already cited, making it reliably sourced and verifiable. I am not trying to argue or pick a fight, I am simply explaining why neither of us is necessarily wrong per the guidelines. I understand your views, and I do not mind editing with your preferred approach. So there is really no need to continue pushing your perspective on me. Again, sorry if this caused any misunderstandings and made you feel unpleasant. I do not want our first interaction to become a meaningless falling out. Let's just chill out, and hopefully I will see you around. Cheers! —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 03:47, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

@Prince of Erebor: It is common sense that a reliable source is needed on the episode listing since the entire section is about episode listing, per MOS:TVEPISODE. On WP:TV, most of the veteran editors will claimed it unsourced if you do not provide a reliable sourced on the episode table when the episodes are yet to air/release. — YoungForever^(talk) 04:06, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Whatever. I do not have a robust number of edits here on enwiki, but I have been on Wikipedia long enough to know what is permissible by the P&G and what is not. I have already said that I understand your views come from a consensus, and I do not mind editing with the common approach, which is certainly more effective at barring bad faith editors from adding unreferenced false claims. So let's just stop this topic here, as there is no room for us to discuss or convince one another since neither of us is evidently wrong, and I have already made it clear that I can agree with your perspective. Cheers and happy editing! —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 04:25, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

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User making large changes to TV shows

Thanks for help over at Knuckles (TV series). I just started a discussion at over at WP:WikiProject Television, you can see it here. Given your extensive history of editing TV articles, thought you might want to take a look. Thanks in advance! --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 05:03, 26 April 2024 (UTC)