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October 24

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Category:Manga authors navigational boxes

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: rename. – Fayenatic London 12:37, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Nominator's rationale: The article for these individuals is Manga artist and all of the other categories related to them are Category:Manga artists or a stem of that. Why should this one be any different just because it lists navigational boxes instead of articles? Link20XX (talk) 23:42, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Horrorcore artists

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  Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 November 1#Category:Horrorcore artists

Category:Shaurya Chakra

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 03:38, 1 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Category only contains Category:Recipients of the Shaurya Chakra, and recipients already contained in the subcat. 1857a (talk) 18:25, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete -- Only the subcategory should exist. However this needs Shaurya Chakra to be made its main article. As I read it, this is an award at a level that passes the OCAWARD test, so that the right solution would not be listify and delete, but the list in the main article looks as if it needs a lot of links to be made to recipients who have articles. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:43, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Mental illness in films

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  Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 December 23#Category:Mental illness in films

Wikipedians by musician

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  Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 November 1#Wikipedians by musician

Category:Wikipedians who listen to music

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 03:54, 1 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Far too broad to have any collaborative value * Pppery * it has begun... 17:21, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Star Plus original programming

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The result of the discussion was: rename. – Fayenatic London 10:26, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: As the name of the channel is StarPlus, this catagory should be renamed. Shinnosuke15 (talk) 16:14, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Wikipedians who like the Beatles

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 04:02, 1 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/User/Archive/Topical index#Music. Note that Category:Wikipedians who listen to The Beatles was deleted at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/User/Archive/July 2007#Category:Wikipedians by musician and all subcats. This category is just barely different enough to avoid a G4 speedy deletion, but has no more collaborative value. * Pppery * it has begun... 15:37, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Anti-Catholic publications

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  Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 February 3#Category:Anti-Catholic publications

Category:Anti-Islam political parties in Europe

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  Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 February 3#Category:Anti-Islam political parties in Europe

Category:Islamophobic publications

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  Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 February 3#Category:Islamophobic publications

Category:2021 WAFF Championship

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 04:06, 1 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: {{Category redirect}} only linked to via adjacent {{Navseasoncats}}, with no benefit to navigation, per Category:Navseasoncats year redirected (other).   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  11:24, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:2023 Summer Youth Olympics

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 04:09, 1 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: {{Category redirect}} only linked to via adjacent {{Navseasoncats}}, with no benefit to navigation, per Category:Navseasoncats year redirected (other).   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  11:23, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:2022 Summer Youth Olympics

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 04:11, 1 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: {{Category redirect}} only linked to via adjacent {{Navseasoncats}}, with no benefit to navigation, per Category:Navseasoncats year redirected (other).   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  11:23, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:2021 Women's Cricket World Cup

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 04:13, 1 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: {{Category redirect}} only linked to via adjacent {{Navseasoncats}}, with no benefit to navigation, per Category:Navseasoncats year redirected (other).   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  11:22, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment + delete IIRC, this was one of a plethora of cricket events postponed due to the pandemic, so it made sense (at the time) to redirect a load of stuff, including categories. No issue with this being deleted - don't know if speedy applies here. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 11:38, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Murder victims by nationality

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. ✗plicit 02:18, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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:** Propose renaming Category:Algerian murder victims to Category:Murdered Algerian people
Nominator's rationale: Victims is a loaded word, and these categories can be more neutrally and no less precisely named as Murdered Fooian people. This would make the category scope clear, while avoiding concerns of whether the categories are implying a status of victimhood or something like that. It would also agree better with subtrees Category:Assassinated people by nationality (which isn't "Assassination victims") and Category:Murdered children (not "Child murder victims"). The parent Category:Murder victims and others in that tree should probably be eventually dealt with, but they are not part of this discussion.
This tree was previously CfDed in 2011, but the reason given then was that it was ambiguous, and the proposal ended in no consensus. That is not the rationale for this proposal. Paul_012 (talk) 18:56, 2 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: For further consideration now that Category:Murder victims is nominated. PS: XFDcloser could not handle relisting this large nomination, so the categories have not had their discussion links updated.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 01:38, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have struck my oppose above upon the addition of Category:Murder victims. I shall remain neutral on the matter; I can't offhand think of a situation where it would be inappropriate to describe a murdered person as a victim. (A murdered child is still a victim, whatever the category name.) Oculi (talk) 02:50, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Opppose. Isn't broke, don't fix. "Murder victim" is how regular normal people talk, including our readership (remember them?) The more we talk like normal people instead of bots that haven't been programmed to understand idioms perfectly yet, the more comfortable our readers can be reading us.
FWIW I'm still having trouble imagining a person who is murdered but is not a victim of murder. Xiao Zhen is not in any murdered person category, since he's the perp. The vic... person of deadness was Hiren Mohini, and he doesn't have an article, but if he did, why wouldn't he be a victim, having been, after all, stabbed to death with a kitchen knife and all. So still waiting on an example. Herostratus (talk) 08:13, 1 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oculi has withdrawn his vote Avilich (talk) 15:05, 14 November 2021 (UTC). And Dimadick's is the same rationale, which has already been refuted. Avilich (talk) 15:31, 12 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. I would support "murdered fooyans" because it is conciser than "Fooyan murder victims", which has real value, while victims is already sort of implied by the murder. "Murdered fooyan people" over "Fooyan murder victims", however, is not shorter, just unnecessarily toned down. I'm on this slightly beyond "not broken" (while I agree that it applies): if this proposal is adopted, we would have less clarity without real gain. gidonb (talk) 13:07, 19 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Members of the Optical Society

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The result of the discussion was: partial merge to Category:Optica (society) for sub-categories only, purge remaining biographies (who for the record are Vadim Backman, Charles K. Kao & Charles Elwood Mendenhall). – Fayenatic London 10:25, 2 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Being a member of an academic society is almost never a defining characteristic (academies of science and other organizations where membership is strictly invitation-only being an obvious exception). The two subcats can be included in the parent cat (The Optical Society). Randykitty (talk) 07:35, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I see what you are saying. However in many cases that I checked the listee had received award(s) from the Society. In most of the cases I checked there was no other indication in the categories that the listee was an optics expert, even though it is usually their most defining characteristic. All of the listees I checked were indeed optics experts. In some of the cases they were also either Fellows or past/current Presidents of the society; I think what needs to happen is a clear-out of the parent category from those articles. I'm still in favor of keeping this category. Softlavender (talk) 10:20, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I went through every entry in this cat. After removing a few where the articles did not mention (let alone source) the membership, not a single ordinary member remained. Several were Fellows and moved to that cat. Four were honorary members (only 1 named/year, so quite an honor), so I created a new cat for them and moved them there. That left 3 bios: one for a former vice-president (1921), one for a senior member of the board of directors, and one a Nobel laureate who somehow never even got named fellow. I think it is arguable that the first two are not ordinary members and do not belong in the member cat but either in the mother category or in a category for vice presidents/senior board members (if either is deemed noteworthy - I don't think so actually). For the latter (the Nobel laureate), I think it is quite obvious that being a member of a society is far from defining for this person. --Randykitty (talk) 13:17, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 01:18, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Victims of the RMS Titanic

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: rename back to Category:Deaths on the RMS Titanic‎, from which it was moved without discussion in 2014. "RMS Titanic" is currently used in all categories on this topic, so "RMS" should not be dropped on this one alone. – Fayenatic London 10:16, 2 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Consistency with Category:RMS Titanic survivors (I wouldn't mind if that category is renamed to match this, but they should be consistent). Elli (talk | contribs) 04:17, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 01:17, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Disorders of adult personality and behaviour

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  Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 December 10#Category:Disorders of adult personality and behaviour

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