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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge‎ to MrBeast. There seems to be consensus here that there should be some mention of Chris Tyson, but there's not enough to make it a full article. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 17:55, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Chris Tyson

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WP:NOTINHERITED, WP:BLP1E. This person is only notable for their relationship to the YouTuber MrBeast. The only WP:SIGCOV is related to their gender transition (good for them) and the subsequent backlash, which is all recent, and doesn't indicate separate notability. The previous AfD was for a completely different person. Hemiauchenia (talk) 23:32, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Like some others here, I also have concerns that this article is likely to be a magnet for transphobic vandalism, as already appears to be occuring. Hemiauchenia (talk) 22:30, 26 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Do we have any articles about trans people which are not? :-( DanielRigal (talk) 22:48, 26 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Tita Aida doesn't seem to have had any vandalism, but she's obviously not very high profile. Hemiauchenia (talk) 22:52, 26 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep He has been covered prior to his transition in interviews (the Business Insider one of which is cited in this article). So it think BLP1E is not really a strong argument. But most importantly, he is the second-most prominent host of the biggest YouTube channel. He is not just known for being related a notable person (like Jimmy's brother would). So I think that NOTINHERITED does not apply at all and I wholly disagree with the OP's statement "This person is only notable for their relationship to the YouTuber MrBeast". He is not notable as MrBeast's friend (the relationship), but as a main character on the MrBeast channel.-128.6.36.153 (talk) 16:55, 19 April 2023 (UTC) — 128.6.36.153 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
  • Neutral There is some coverage that predates people making a big deal about Tyson's personal life but it is not huge and it is not like anybody thought to make an article about them prior to this. I also worry that this article will just be a millstone round our collective necks as it will doubtlessly be targeted by trolls to abuse both Tyson themself and Mr Beast. That's not a reason to delete but it might be a reason to make extra certain that the notability criteria are fully met before keeping. --DanielRigal (talk) 17:12, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per 128.6.36.153, Therealscorp1an. and DaniloDaysOfOurLives. To refute WP:BLP1E: reliable sources have covered the subject in the context of more than one event. The subject is not a low-profile individual. The subject is the co-founder of the largest YouTube channel owned by an individual (4th largest overall), and has consistently been in the public eye. The recent media coverage only reinforces the notability and solidifies the case for a standalone article. Rowing007 (talk) 18:34, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Keep I agree with the previous keeps, also don’t use the fact that the article is underdeveloped as an argument—with all the coverage he’s been getting recently it can easily be expanded. Chris is one of the founding members of an over-144 Million subscribers channel, has received coverage even before he became gnc, and the coverage on recent events would not disqualify WP:BLP1E because I would say he was well-know even before recently. I agree that he isn’t notable for being MrBeast’s friend, but for being one of the founding members of the channel “Mr Beast.” I believe the subject fulfills WP:NOTBLP1E for these reasons, as well as WP:GNG andWP:NRV.
CanO27sprite (talk) 23:10, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge with MrBeast. While there is significant coverage it is all within the auspices of MrBeast. I was able to Google the name and got several sources for the subject, all of those sources were concerned with the relationship to (or loss of relationship with) MrBeast. If the relationship disolves and the subject can maintain their own level of notability we can split the article then. Padillah (talk) 15:02, 24 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 00:03, 26 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete WP:PAGEDECIDE asks us on whether to have a standalone page Does other information provide needed context?. In this case, since the subject is only notable for their relationship to Mr. Beast, and that's the context for their notability, I don't think a standalone page makes sense with this sourcing. Even if they don't meet the strict criteria for BLP1E, WP:1E (from the notability guideline) still tells us to avoid the creation of unnecessary pseudo-biographies, especially of living people. With the only significant coverage coming from the transition, this still appears like it would be a pseudo-biography.
Also, if the only significant coverage is of something personal like them transitioning, it seems like this presents WP:BLP issues. If the primary basis for an article is something personal like that, it seems like it could be invasive. per WP:DEL-REASON, a breach of WP:BLP is also grounds for deleting an article. Given the recency of significant coverage, there's also WP:SUSTAINED to consider. --Tristario (talk) 07:08, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep I disagree with User:Tristario and others saying "the subject is only notable for their relationship to Mr. Beast" He is a main presenter on the MrBeast channel. I think that alone grants him notability and that this is a confusion between MrBeast and MrBeast's channel. Also, I believe WP:SUSTAINED applies as the article as there are sources currently cited dating back more than four years ago. After a quick Google search on my hand, I strongly believe that the article, be easily improved with even more prior sourcing, given the notability of the subject. As another user mentioned here on this thread, the context around the very extensive coverage about his transition and backlash was lost on the original MrBeast page, especially its relevance to anti-LGBT rhetoric in United States media. On the original MrBeast article, the context amounted to just "it has been shown that MrBeast now supports transgender people". So this is why I think this page fits positively the WP:PAGEDECIDE criteria. 128.6.36.183 (talk) 14:09, 28 April 2023 (UTC)— 128.6.36.183 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
Keep in mind, Wikipedia is not a soapbox. The fact that this has relevance to the LGBTQ+ rhetoric adds no support for notability. Padillah (talk) 14:36, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Looking at the IP addresses, both 128.6.36.183 and 128.6.36.153 (who voted above) geolocate close to Piscataway, New Jersey [1] [2] and have nearly identical technical information, and therefore are presumably the same person or are engaging in coordinated ediitng. Therefore they should only be counted as a single voice in the discussion (if counted at all) and not as separate votes. Hemiauchenia (talk) 00:41, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Piscataway is in the New York metro area, an area with more than 20 million people. I'm not too sure if those ips are socked accounts, and if you think they are you can go to Sockpuppet investagations. Jeffhardyfan08 (talk) 10:34, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Actually now that i am looking at it, these IPs are clearly SPAs. Jeffhardyfan08 (talk) 10:51, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The only significant coverage of the subject I can find in reliable sources is about the transition. WP:BI, the source from more than four years ago, has no consensus for its reliability. So I don't think WP:SUSTAINED is passed. In the future an article may be justified here, but I'd want more of a diversity of significant coverage than just focusing on a single personal thing like transitioning. Tristario (talk) 01:23, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge into MrBeast, or perhaps better, into a page about other MrBeast “characters” in the same way we might treat the cast of TV shows. There is no demonstrated need for a standalone page, but there is real potential for these variety of individuals to be discussed at greater length, separate to the bio-slash-channel page of MrBeast. This sort of collective page would satisfy the fans, without burdening us with a potentially increasing variety of borderline-notable personality pages for each of the cast. — HTGS (talk) 23:31, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per Tristario. Besides being in MrBeast videos, there's nothing notable about him to warrant a standalone page. Some1 (talk) 14:24, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete I'd consider this to be a WP:1E + WP:NOTINHERITED (per nom). Most of the coverage is about the HRT/transgender news which would fall under one event. TheManInTheBlackHat (Talk) 15:30, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge Notability is largely WP:INHERITED from MrBeast. MrsSnoozyTurtle 08:30, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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