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Make sure the item you want to nominate has an article that meets our minimum requirements and contains reliable coverage of a current event you want to create a blurb about. We will not post about events described in an article that fails our quality standards.
Find the correct section below for the date of the event (not the date nominated). Do not add sections for new dates manually – a bot does that for us each day at midnight (UTC).
Create a level 4 header with the article name (==== Your article here ====). Add (RD) or (Ongoing) if appropriate.
Then paste the {{ITN candidate}} template with its parameters and fill them in. The news source should be reliable, support your nomination and be in the article. Write your blurb in simple present tense. Below the template, briefly explain why we should post that event. After that, save your edit. Your nomination is ready!
You may add {{ITN note}} to the target article's talk page to let editors know about your nomination.
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When the article is ready, updated and there is consensus to post, you can mark the item as (Ready). Remove that wording if you feel the article fails any of these necessary criteria.
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One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Fighting between Syrian rebels and government forces rages around the Aleppo Central Prison in the war-torn city of Aleppo, but it is unclear whether rebels control all or part of the facility. (CNN)
Rescue workers recover eight bodies from a South African gold mine in Doornkop following a fire on Tuesday night. One worker is missing while another eight were rescued. (BBC News)
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Support for RD. --Orlady (talk) 21:31, 6 February 2014 (UTC) Not only was he a Hall of Fame player, but he also was a broadcaster for 53 years, and was still active at age 91. --Orlady (talk) 21:59, 6 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's comments: News is slow, and this is a fascinating story, and contradicts prior belief that sub-Saharan Africans do not carry Neanderthal DNA. (The Khoisan include people formerly popularly known as the Bushmen and Hottentots.) There is no updated article yet. But, if there is support, I will add the necessary material to the Neanderthal DNA article. μηδείς (talk) 22:47, 5 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm why does it matter if this is only covered as general news in Daily mail? Encyclopedic news that is not widely covered by other media should actually be encouraged on ITN -- Ashish-g5500:00, 6 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I dont want to steer away from the nomination too much... but i see 4 different points in the "Purpose" section in WP:ITN and none state that it must be of wide interest... it doesn't hurt if its covered widely but that shouldn't be the main reason for supporting/opposing something. I think you might be taking that line a bit too literally -- Ashish-g5500:33, 6 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I'm looking at the very start the page, rather than the purpose section, where it gives a basic one-sentence answer to the question "what is ITN for". If a story isn't of wide interest, it fails the basic definition of an ITN item. Formerip (talk) 00:46, 6 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
We have the precedent of posting the Denisovans, and recently a news species of Tapir. The story fits criteria 2 "To feature quality Wikipedia content on current events." & 3 "To point readers to subjects they might not have been looking for but nonetheless may interest them." μηδείς (talk) 01:09, 6 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
It's true that we've picked up a bad habit of posting endless random research papers as if they were significant news stories regardless of whether they actually are. But we should stop. Formerip (talk) 01:13, 6 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose. I'm interested in supporting this but I would like to see evidence of even a little more news coverage than has thus far been demonstrated. 331dot (talk) 01:00, 6 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
This story just broke, and as a science story it's not exactly a banner headline. If that were a "support if..." rather than a weak oppose I'd be willing to start putting in the work for a good update. μηδείς (talk) 01:07, 6 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support We occasionally post new species too, those are hardly all that widely covered in other media. I think this nomination is similar, it is interesting and certainly encyclopedic. SeraV (talk) 01:04, 6 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose It's another piece in the anthropology and DNA puzzle; I don't see this as a scientific breakthrough. According to the article, Eurasian DNA (including neanderthal DNA) was strongest among a subset of Khoisan called "Khoe-Kwadi speakers" who are thought to have arrived in South Africa from East-Africa (Ethiopia or similar). That people in Ethiopia etc. have some Eurasian genes have been documented previously. Mainly this shows that the Khoisan tribe has not lived quite as isolated as previously thought; interesting but more another piece in the puzzle than a breakthrough. I am afraid putting this on the mainpage may mislead people to think this is more revolutionary than it is. Iselilja (talk) 01:25, 6 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
It's not exactly like a pump-and-dump stock scheme. I hardly think our listing new animals species or an Indian Monorail has misled anyone into thinking those were huge breakthroughs either. In any case, I am curious if there are any supports here, the opposes can take care of themselves. μηδείς (talk) 01:55, 6 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comment There is currently no article on "Khoisan people". It redirects to "Khoisan languages", which is defined as a "linguistic term of convenience" consisting of three different language families that only share a "click" sound. Researchers actually consider the whole term "linguistically invalid". --hydrox (talk) 13:58, 6 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, no way to disprove that Eurasians, Neanderthals carry Khoisan DNA (or that there was more recent admixture, or that all derive from some earlier source). Note also that the Yoruba live in the Sahel, a hop, skip and jump away from Europe. Abductive (reasoning) 01:07, 7 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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"Claims" the problem is the "what he claims" part, and it seems hugely dubious and is being reported that way. The source has a good picture of his fair and fully-fleshed cheeks. μηδείς (talk) 20:59, 4 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as what he "claims" is not relevant. People "claim" to have seen Yetis, Bigfoots, and Champ too. If there is some way to verify his claims, then maybe, but that seems unlikely. Good DYK suggestion, as stated by others. 331dot (talk) 23:38, 4 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: India's highest civilian award. Awarded after a gap of 5 years. 43 recipients awardees so far in India's 66 years of existence. Regards, theTigerKing14:38, 4 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose As much as I'm a Sachin fan, this would be opening the floodgates rather. Every country has a highest civilian award and everyone who is awarded one is probably newsworthy to some degree. GoldenRing (talk) 15:58, 4 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. I don't mind posting "highest civilian" awards if they receive sufficient coverage, but they have to be in the news to be included in In The News, and we have no evidence of that here. 331dot (talk) 22:07, 4 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: Third CEO of Microsoft, one of the most known companies on the planet. Making headlines around the world. Regards, theTigerKing14:38, 4 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose AFAIK we don't post such appointments in any company, regardless of their caliber (including Apple and the like). This may interest a narrow group of people, who read some kind of Business Herald, but not general public. Brandmeistertalk15:43, 4 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
oppose Just read the news, considered nominating here, but its not noteworthy of itself. Or perhaps the change of the guard at the once-largest market cap company after years (the first) is more notable. Still though, this is primarily news in India. Not that big in the USA or the world.Lihaas (talk) 15:55, 4 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose at least this nom isn't drawing comments calling the outgoing head of MS a horrible person. But the development is simply an expected corportae development, and doesn't count as the sort of breaking newsthat will draw reader interest to an article that needs showcasing. μηδείς (talk) 19:02, 4 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support I'm a bit bemused by the oppose rationales here. Is this really of interest only to a narrow group of people, not the general public? I think there will be quite a bit of interest. And of course the appointment of a new CEO (though not necessarily Nadella) was expected, but equally one could say that of the US Presidential elections or the Super Bowl. And since when has a "tangible impact on international affairs" been a requirement? How did the Super Bowl or the discovery of some new species meet this criterion? We even post things that are of largely national impact, whereas Microsoft is a global company that has an impact on the global economy, not just the US one. Finally, we really don't post enough business stories. Neljack (talk) 21:53, 4 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose This would have maybe been interesting news circa fifteen years ago when "personal computer" was synonymous with Windows 95/XP and MS was the undisputed king of the whole digital revolution. MS has since stagnated against competition and is not even the biggest player in PC anymore, while they seem clueless how to regain the monopoly. --hydrox (talk) 14:14, 6 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as hydrox alludes to, once upon a time Microsoft was PC, nowadays it's not that big a deal. I don't recall us posting Tim Cook becoming Apple CEO and that really was a big deal when Jobs died. MS has a way to go before it is back in the game. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:42, 6 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
2014 Moscow school shooting. Two people are shot and killed and 29 students are taken hostage at a high school in Moscow, Russia. The suspected shooter, a 15-year-old student at the school, surrenders to authorities. It is one of the first school shootings to occur in Russia. (Reuters)
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Oppose I am reminded of the strong opposition to Betty Ford, who was a First Lady, who was a breast-cancer advocate, and who shocked people at the time by discussing her mastectomy, and who was known, of course, for co-founding the Betty Ford Clinic. I am not sure where art patron gets you. μηδείς (talk) 01:33, 4 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Reading the article I'm just not seeing what makes her notable even as an art patron (leaving aside being the VPs wife which I also don't think is notable enough) or what she did as such that set her apart from others, or recognition of her activities. Further I doubt an average American on the street could name some cause Dr. Biden supports, let alone a past Second Lady. 331dot (talk) 01:49, 4 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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This was posted, now the discussion is turning unproductive. Please, direct your energy to more useful place ;-) --Tone20:54, 4 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: Note this may be an unusual death (police are involved, he was only 46, so this might have been a crime, but waiting on that). I'm tagging RD on assumption of natural causes, as PSH was an important - but not that important - actor. But if this is a crime, it might make it a blurb. --MASEM (t) 18:33, 2 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
CNN is now reporting it as an apparent drug overdose. I'm going to write a blurb, but I'm still on the RD side of this. --MASEM (t) 19:09, 2 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comment not voting at this point as I'd like the latitude to post it at RD if required, but since autopsy reports don't come out for several days/weeks, we seem to have either (a) an RD or (b) a blurb with "suspected" or "apparent" in it. The latter is undesirable. Perhaps we limit the blurb to "is found dead"... Comments? The Rambling Man (talk) 19:18, 2 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support a blurb but Oppose any mention of "apparent" anything until definite facts are known. Adrienne Shelly's death was quickly revealed to be a murder, but not before it was widely reported that she had "apparently" committed suicide. Gamaliel (talk) 19:26, 2 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
RD only significant enough for RD certainly but a full blurb he is not. The reason being is that while he may of had a good film career and died relatively young, he wasn't a world-wide iconic film star like Liz Taylor or Charlton Heston who died not long ago. He simply doesn't have the career for a full blurb. --Somchai Sun (talk) 21:18, 2 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb - I disagree with those saying his career does not merit a full blurb. One of the most talented actors in the business dead under unusual circumstances at a relatively young age. This story will be dominating the news cycle for days. A full blurb with a picture is in order, in my view. Jusdafax21:31, 2 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comment If the career doesn't merit a listing then he shouldn't be at RD either--but the issue here is that the death itself is notable, and for that reason a full blurb is warranted. μηδείς (talk) 21:37, 2 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
That's not what RD has been or was apparently created for. It's either a catchall for people that support for blurbs but don't get strong consensus for such, or for people that editors know are important but a blurb will never fly (eg death by natural causes, like the deaths of Rankin and Seeger of recent). Otherwise, we might as well remove the RD parameter from the template and let the consensus determine if blurb, RD, or not. --MASEM (t) 21:51, 2 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. RD was introduced to ensure that worthy postings did not miss out on ITN simply because the blurb would be crap, or because large numbers of people are considered at the top of that particular field (relatively large number of Olympic Golds, Nobel Prizes, Oscars etc). Unusual deaths are the main reason why deaths are still allowed to have full blurbs. The other reason being that very occasionally, someone dies who was truly at the top of their field (Nelson Mandela or Michael Jackson). —WFC— FL wishlist22:00, 2 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Phillip Seymour Hoffman died?!? Damn, that's a real bolt from the blue. I was definitely not expecting to see that in the news today... I support a full blurb. Kurtis(talk)00:58, 3 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Pull I do not see any consensus for a blurb. Only about half of those commenting indicated support for a blurb. I am concerned that standards for a blurb are being eroded, undermining the purposes of recent deaths, which have been well explained by WFC. Hoffman was a very fine actor, but this is not the sort of massive global news that would justify a blurb. Nor is there any evidence of foul play. Neljack (talk) 02:18, 3 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Looks like a rough consensus for a blurb to me (you can't take comments that just say "support" one way or another.) I am pretty sure that the death itself being the news was the primary reason given for when a death would get a full blurb when RD was instigated. --ThaddeusB (talk) 02:34, 3 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. I can see a consensus for blurb above. A massive global news isnt a criteria for blurb anyways... An unexpected death gives it a lot of weight. -- Ashish-g5502:38, 3 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
As one of the instigators, yes, means of death that are notable in themselves were a reason given for posting a full blurb. The archived discussions are between Spring and August 2012 on the talk page archives. μηδείς (talk) 02:40, 3 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, deaths should get a blurb where the manner of death is the story rather than the person who has died. However, it is the alt blurb that has been posted, which doesn't mention the manner of death; IMO this should be RD and no more. GoldenRing (talk) 16:04, 4 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support a full blurb as a widely regarded important figure in their field, as evidenced by numerous reports describing him as the greatest character actor of his generation. Stephen02:58, 3 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Pull blurb, support RD. Notable actor, but hardly one of the top ones of his generation, which is what would be required for a full blurb. Exactly the sort of death that RD was created for - so let's use it. Modest Geniustalk12:06, 3 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Could be wrong but I have read from others that RD is meant for deaths of notable people where the death itself is not particularly newsworthy- but deaths that are newsworthy can still get blurbs. Hoffman's was top headline news yesterday even while the Super Bowl was on. 331dot (talk) 12:29, 3 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, that's one way of making the distinction. But in this case his life was significant, his death is not. There's no disruption to ongoing events, and there isn't going to be a state funeral or major changes to legislation as a result of it, for example. Modest Geniustalk15:54, 3 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Pull blurb, support RD What do you think RD is for? Posting deaths of people no-one has heard of? Deaths get full blurbs when the death itself is what makes it notable; when it's the person who has died that makes it notable then it goes to R|D. As it stands, the blurb just says that he died and doesn't even mention the manner of death ergo it belongs in RD.
"top of his field for sure" is not an argument for a full blurb, that's an argument for RD. If you don't believe me, go read the arguments over any RD nomination; they are all about whether someone was at the top of their field (you know this and I know you know it). The whole of the argument for a full blurb is that an actor died of a drug overdose. Is that really notable in and of itself? This should be pulled and reposted as RD, and clearly no consensus to post full blurb. GoldenRing (talk) 16:09, 4 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Strong oppose full blurb, support RD. Second WFC's comment above that only truly momentous deaths deserve blurbs - Michael Jackson, Nelson Mandela, and so forth. I read the arguments above for Hoffman's 'unusual circumstances of death' - though, this still takes up space just to say that he, well, died. I thought it was consensus that were the blurb to simply say that someone died at X age would be redundant. Colipon+(Talk) 18:18, 4 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
But what makes someone like Jackson "momentous" and Hoffman not? Both died young (under relatively similar circumstances), both deaths made headlines worldwide, and both have strong evidence of them being among the top of their field. I don't disagree that Jackson was the bigger celebrity, but how would we objectively draw the line? What measures would we use? Teemu08 (talk) 18:45, 4 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Colipon, why did you alter GoldenRing's comment to add the phrase ", and clearly no consensus to post full blurb"? ... Again, the actual policy on RDs vs. full blurbs is that blurbs are (primarily) for situiations where the death is the news and RDs are situations when the person's career is the reason for posting. --19:10, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
Close Discussion It has been made quite clear that it is the fact of Hoffman's unexpected newsworthy death itself that justifies a blurb. Yet supports like Lihaas' (admittedly abrupt) "Pretty surprised death as well" are drawing irrelevant criticisms about Hoffman's being at the top of his field not justifying a blurb. Then we get the opposite argument that someone like Michael Jackson, who was huge in his field 20 years ago, but long of frail health, and long without a hit or expectation of one, was a momentous death, while Hoffman's, who was at the top of his game, and would normally have been expected to live another 20 years, wasn't. It's time to draw this to a close. There's very strong consensus based on standing policy that this nomination merits a full listing. Further discussion is a distraction that draws more heat than light. I move the thread be closed as settled. μηδείς (talk) 18:58, 4 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Article updated The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Why nominate it before it's ready? It's ITN/R so you don't need to build any consensus to post it based on anything else besides readiness, and the game doesn't kickoff for seven hours from now. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:37, 2 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Kill with fire – article is 12-16 hours away from us judging whether it is in a good enough condition to post, and even that assumes that there is no controversy which slows the whole thing down. —WFC— FL wishlist17:17, 2 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
It's very rare that sticking the knife in is productive. This is one such time. The game was more of a comedy show than a contest (I blame Lihaas for predicting it would be a classic on an inappropriate forum), the article is not ready 8 hours after the end (I partially blame Lihaas for taking away the carrot of the person actually doing the work nominating, and then not adding a single piece of content after the event has actually started), and even the ITN regulars have held back in their support for this obvious posting (I blame Lihaas for making this such an embarrassing nomination to support).
Nobody said he had to be productive, but he rightly pointed out that you were counterproductive, much as you are with every "X wins a plurality in Y election". People who wanted to update that content updated the content, and they had no particular incentive to nominate it here, since you already did it. Premature noms are not helpful, since there was nothing to evaluate, and the updating wasn't done for at least ten hours after you nominated it, since the game hadn't ended. In the future, you should wait until the update is complete before nominating. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:24, 3 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
No, saying, "fortunately trounced" would be POV. Just saying "trounced" reflects the sources, which also say "crushed" and "routed". As for facts, can't get closer than saying 43-8. μηδείς (talk) 06:04, 3 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Whether a particular victory qualifies as a "trouncing" is a matter of opinion and thus shouldn't be stated in Wikipedia's voice, though we can of course quote sources describing it as such in the article. Neljack (talk) 07:06, 3 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose for now given the the the game summary section needs some serious expanding. Likely support once the article is filled out. Canuck89 (chat with me) 06:06, February 3, 2014 (UTC)
Comment: the blurb should avoid a) the scoreline, b) POV words like 'trounce' and c) ENGVAR problems like defeat/defeats. ITNR also suggests including the MVP. I suggest the simple alternative:
In which version of English would "The Seattle Seahawks defeats the Denver Broncos" be cromulent? This seems like Engvar paranoia. μηδείς (talk) 18:35, 3 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Fair point, because 'Seahawks' is a plural even AmE uses 'defeat'. Apologies - I know this is a frequent issue, so the mere fact that it sounds OK to me doesn't mean it does to other varieties of English. Modest Geniustalk21:22, 3 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Posting. Improvements are always welcome but the update meets the requirement. Someone upload the picture, please. --Tone12:19, 3 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: Hold the job for 30 years, the longest in the history of the NBA, one of the most pupular sports event in the world. Had the job for almost as many years as all previous commissioners combined. – HonorTheKing (talk)14:03, 2 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. We generally don't post retirements of sports figures; a lot of the stuff you mention would make him a good candidate for RD when (in the future) he dies. This is a little different even since his achievements were administrative in nature and not on the court(or in the coach's box) as with the few retirements we have posted (Ferguson, Yao Ming I think). I'm not yet sure if he is up to that level or not. 331dot (talk) 14:22, 2 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose No doubt he's significant in some way, but NBA being popular and being in a job for 30 years doesn't come across as a strong argument for this retirement to be included on the front page I'm afraid. If you could elaborate further on why his retirement is so important...please do. What effect would it have on the NBA? American basketball in general? I'm looking for more details from someone who knows more :P. ITN is not an honors column --Somchai Sun (talk) 14:24, 2 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Strongest oppose possible. I'll strongly oppose anything that will make Lakers fans happy, The Veto be damned (LOL). Seriously, the NBA isn't changing that much during the transition; the effects will be seen later once Adam Silver starts making some hard decisions. But the difference between's Stern's last day and Silver's first day on the job is nil. –HTD16:03, 2 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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[Closed] Australian Broadcasting Corporation (ABC) is accused by the Australian government of being unpatriotic
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Nominator's comments: The ABC is a national public broadcaster, and being "unpatriotic" is a serious accusation that is bound to have an impact on media outlets across the country --A1candidate (talk) 21:52, 1 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The Prime Minister criticising an independent national broadcaster for not reporting on the government as he would like it to is hardly earth-shattering news; if he acutally did something about it - e.g. turning it into a government propaganda mouthpiece - that would be a different matter. Neljack (talk) 22:16, 1 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. No different than President Obama or any liberal politician criticizing Fox News or conservative politicians criticizing MSNBC or CNN. 331dot (talk) 23:09, 1 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose This happens early in the term of every Australian Coalition government. The PM on this occasion was speaking on a red neck shock jock's radio show. It was clearly intended as vote attracting fodder for that bigot's equally bigoted radio audience. Very little will happen beyond the usual shallow public "debate". Nobody will change their minds. The National Party part of the Australian Coalition always opposes major changes to the ABC anyway because it's the only media organisation that provides a decent service in rural areas, where that party's voter base lives. Storm in a teacup. HiLo48 (talk) 23:28, 1 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose "Politicians complain about the media..." How, exactly, is this different from every single day since the beginning of recorded time? --Jayron3223:59, 1 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Well, it's different because the government owns this broadcaster, and theoretically has the power to close it down. But it won't. (If it ever does, It will definitely deserve to be posted here!) HiLo48 (talk) 00:34, 2 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
As you say, if the government did close it down, that would be noteworthy(and I would support that) but we aren't there yet. 331dot (talk) 02:08, 2 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: Schell won the Academy Award for Best Actor in 1961. Won a Golden Globe in the 1990's and was also directed an Oscar nominated documentary. --Miyagawa (talk) 19:44, 1 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Support am a fan, but am not sure Topkapi and Disney's The Black Hole earn him a place, when most people nowadays will never have heard of him. That he died of pneumonia is not a sufficient update. μηδείς (talk) 19:57, 1 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support In a long career he played a large range of roles in film, TV and theatre (he was an acclaimed Hamlet). He won many awards and was regarded as one of the greatest actors in the German-speaking world. He was clearly a man of many talents: he was also a distinguished concert pianist who performed with famous conductors such as Leonard Bernstein and Claudio Abbado (whom, sadly, we have also recently farewelled). Neljack (talk) 22:23, 1 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - the article needs a proper lead, but otherwise looks good quality wise. A big better update on death/legacy would be nice, but not necessarily required for posting. --ThaddeusB (talk) 05:05, 2 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
ITN policy holds that an update that says no more than what's in the blurb (here, that he died) is insufficient. Let's get an actual update, please. Perhaps someone will have commented on his passing? μηδείς (talk) 05:14, 2 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support won the top award in his industry, update is perfectly adequate per current the current guideline (to whit: "In addition, the article must have a prose update about the person's death" no comments regarding the length of the update), marked as ready. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:08, 2 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose article is in really poor shape, and there's nothing to suggest that the Thames won't freeze tomorrow. Local story of trivial interest. No mention in the article or the source that this "record" is constrained to January. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:11, 1 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: India's first monorail is inaugurated on Saturday, and becomes open to the public on Sunday. This is a momentous occasion for public transport of India and shows further proof of the country's modernization and growing economic prowess. --Tocino (talk) 10:16, 1 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Both opposes were "...until the article is updated". Since it IS updated, they are no longer opposes. I'd think that was pretty obvious. And for what it's worth, I'll lend a post-posting support for a fairly interesting "first". OrganicsLRO12:41, 4 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Okey fine, but still there was then 1 support and its not ITNR.
Strong Pull Request The words 'first' and 'monorail' does not lead to qualification of this article in ITN. India is spending 90 billion USD to set up cities between Mumbai and Delhi. India is already having Metro trains running in suburbs.Regards, theTigerKing14:51, 4 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
"Oppose until updated" could potentially be read as "support after update", so I see where the decision to post came from. I may not have read the dicussion the same way, but it is certainly a reasonable reading... As to the merits of the story, I support posting. This is a significant milestone in transportation in the world's second most populous country and "famous first in the world" isn't an ITN requirement. --ThaddeusB (talk) 23:50, 4 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: Well known in his field; however, the article needs to be updated about information on his death. Jón - (Talk) 10:08, 1 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose based on article quality. A manager who has led a team to a Euro championship is close to top of his field (given that only a handful of coaches have ever done this), but the article is weak, particularly with regard to his time as Spain coach, 1/3 not mentioning him, 1/3 discussing an alleged superstitious nature, and 1/3 dedicated to the Euro victory. All unreferenced. Could use expanding and whole sections such as Playing career and Statistics need serious work on the references. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:33, 1 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support subject being posted to RD, strongly oppose article going up in its current form. The lead is just about the only redeeming feature. Putting aside my views on the level of coverage given to the race row, the body pretty much entirely skips the 30 years of his career which led to the Spain appointment. —WFC— FL wishlist12:33, 1 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
A lot of work has been done through the day to better balance the coverage of his career. A bit of sourcing of the newly-added content (and the extraordinary, but accurate, remark about the British media demanding his dismissal at the time), and I could live with the article being posted. —WFC— FL wishlist21:42, 1 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support if the quality of the article is improved. Aragones is an important enough figure within the football world to be posted at RD, but not with the current quality of the article. Mentoz (talk) 17:33, 1 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The rationale for his significance is that he took over the international footballing equivalent of the Chicago Cubs, and developed the core of the side which is widely considered to be the greatest European team there has ever been. I suspect you won't agree with the rationale, but you asked for it to be spelled out. —WFC— FL wishlist21:02, 1 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I do find that helpful. I am just leery of posting coaches and players below the almost-legendary level, or given the amount of sports world-wide we will just be a sports ticker. Does greatest team ever mean greatest for one year, or greatest for a string of years? μηδείς (talk) 21:10, 1 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
For a string of years. Without wanting to slip into the realm of media hyperbolae, if Spain were to win the World Cup this year, pretty much every neutral in the sport would consider them to be the greatest international team of all time. For balance it's worth pointing out that while Aragones built the core of today's team, giving several their international debuts and playing many of them in the 2008 final, Vicente del Bosque has now been at the helm for six years, has maintained an unprecedented level of success, and is the one who will go down in history as the manager of that great side. —WFC— FL wishlist21:19, 1 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support I guess the man who started off Spain's era of extraordinary success (and introduced their short passing style of play) qualifies as a very important figure in his field. The article is in reasonable shape, though the sections on his career before becoming manager of Spain could do with some citations. Neljack (talk) 22:41, 1 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Attention needed this is nicely updated, and although I don't really support most sports noms, it would be a shame for this to go unposted because of a few CN tags. I am clueless about soccer, so it would be nice if someone else could address the minor outstanding issue. μηδείς (talk) 22:56, 4 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: Hungarian director. Nominated for Best Director five times at Cannes Film Festival, winning once. He also received a lifetime achievement award from Cannes and a Hungarian national honor. --Teemu08 (talk) 18:16, 1 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Skimming the article, he seems to be very important in Hungarian cinema. Would be a good thing to have an RD listing from an atypical nation. 331dot (talk) 21:21, 1 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I could support based on notability, but must oppose based on article quality. Its looks like roughly half the article is unreferenced and most of the rest relies on a single source (which creates neutrality issues). If referencing is improved, consider me a supporter. --ThaddeusB (talk) 04:56, 2 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Opppose on notability/quality. The Red Psalm and The Red and The White (two Soviet-sanctioned propaganda works) are the only films of his that aren't single-sentence lead stubs with a cast list appended. If his works merit posting on their own standing we should have some articles on them. That's entirely possible, but it's not evidenced. μηδείς (talk) 05:11, 2 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: A key player in animation of the mid-late 20th century ( half of Rankin / Bass, the people that created stop-motion animation like Rudoulph the Red-Nosed Reindeer, as well as other animation (The Hobbit, etc.) Obviously left to RD only, no blurb suggested. --MASEM (t) 21:27, 31 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I'll add a few things from the Royal Gazette article. We've run into this problem with duos before that the main article focuses on the the notable work and the individual articles are stubs. I don't think that should be an impediment to posting here. Note also that he died where he had resided in Bermuda for decades, and the news seems to be slow hitting London and New York. μηδείς (talk) 01:41, 1 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I have aded a few more references to that section. Virtually every fact in that article can be verified to the Royal Gazette obituary if necessary, but I didn't see the point in overkill.. That he produce or wrote a show (which is properly identified by a link) does not need further citation in proof, since the credits of the primary source do that. If there's anything else that needs verifying it should be tagged. Otherwise this is ready. μηδείς (talk) 17:33, 1 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose large back-catalogue of animations, and just about squeezed an award in 1977 (which wasn't even mentioned on his page until I added it), but I'm not seeing any real widespread news coverage of this, and the "career" section of the article is in need of expansion and referencing. There's little to suggest his career was much more than "quantity over quality", no major awards for any of his work outside the Peabody for The Hobbit, not considered influential in the same way many others are/were. I tidied a lot of it up, but don't have time to go seeking refs. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:23, 1 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: Sister of Berry Gordy, wife of Marvin Gaye, important musician and songwriter in Motown of her own right as well. Update is pretty minimal, and I may get on that if I have some time, though of course anyone else is invited to help as well. --Jayron3202:55, 1 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Reading the article as it is now, other than being Gaye's wife I don't see how she is very important in her field. I don't see what honors or recognition she has gotten or other ways to indicate her importance to music. 331dot (talk) 10:19, 1 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I've had a run through the article, fixing the most obvious issues, but per 331dot, it appears most of her notability was conferred on her by marrying Gaye. No major awards, not top of her field, not seeing how she meets the RD criteria. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:24, 1 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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