Qaleechpuri

September 2010

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Thathal

Hi Qaleechpuri, I saw you had started a page under the title of "Thathal", which got deleted because one can not have 2 pages about the same group. I agree with the content on that page. Please take part in the discussion of Thothal/Thathaal, You would find a move tag there, I have suggested to change the title to "Thathal" ( the same as you had used for the article you started.)The reason is that we have 4 villages which are named after "Thathal" , while there are 2 villages which are named after "Thothal". This tilt the move discussion in the favour of "Thathal". Moreover, we have to delete almost 90 persent of the aritcle, especially that " history section" needs to be deleted altogether because that is unsourced, unfound and mere fabrication. please, do join the discussion, especially with the tag move.Jogibaba (talk) 08:25, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Hi Qaleechpuri, I am still waiting for your reply, what do you think that we built the article from start.RegardsJogibaba (talk) 23:36, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Hi Jogibaba yes i am in complete agreement with you we need to rebuild this article based on true history backed with references.

I am planning to start editing that article on saturday, would need your help to brush up the language. I would make a rough sketch which could be developed later as we get more material.Jogibaba (talk) 11:35, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Go ahead Qaleechpuri, everything is ready now.Jogibaba (talk) 22:32, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Jatt

hello, i do wish to discuss but before we are complete with our discussion i hope u donot print things about which you donot wish to have knowledge. As a fellow brother of the community it is my request to you, rise above this petty religion-ism and region-ism.Which individuals exploit.

I donot know whether you are from Pakistan punjab or Indian Punjab but yes you are one of my own. People misguide others so that they can take advantage of factionalism I request you to read some books of famous authors. Do some extensive research.There is already a Jat People article on wiki and i may say you are not reading it carefully.

I donot know whether you are of Islamic or khalistani belief but being in UK , i expect that you know something called study of genes or genetic science. If you wish to politice the Jat identity to Jatt which is a regional slang word. Then I am sorry I will do what is correct. Hope you have read about bhagat singh and his work, he talked exactly what I am talking.

I urge you to read , first read. Because such articles are misguiding to younger generations which is unacceptable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sheokhandaa (talk • contribs) 12:07, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

hello thx for responding. firstly religion is not an issue with me i look at a persons heart then make judgments i neither belong to khalistani or any pakistani movements. my main point is that Jatts of punjab are a very mixed people especially with foreign blood living near the border to iran afghanistan all invaders into india have had to cross paths with us. my own village is called Qaleechpur and we have strong mixing with mughals and Jatt people but still retain Jatt identity. that is what i meant by we have slightly different history from Jaats the Jatts of eastern Punjab are also mixed when they were darbaris of moghuls but also eastern/western Jatts do share more in common as we were all from one stock. most sikh Jatts came from western punjab in lahore and surrounding areas not from rajasthan or haryana hence we speak same language and have same music and even literature for example warris shahs heer ranjha and sassi punnu sohni mahiwal these are all punjabi folklore and not rajasthani or sindhi. however after all this i do believe the Jaats are not entirely distinct from Jatts maybe you represent the original Jat that was found in sind on arab invasion. We can have a Jatt article which will also support and acknowledge the Jat people as my intention was not to cause division or problems. if you likeyou can let me finish the article and then see what u think and i will follow your advise not to cause division in the minds of youngsters--Qaleechpuri (talk) 12:47, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

This to inform you that my fore fathers came from lahore in 14 century and some settled in the Haryana's jind and some in delhi. Similarly may mom side came from Rajasthan, who had eventually migrated from sindh during invasions from arab lands. You talk of inter- marriage. I ask you if a jatt who migrated from punjab in 18th century marries in UK and another one in Canada does the same thing. Then will the offspring be different in today's era, inspite of the fact that might call them Jat oR zaataa or Jatt or jaaaaat ?

as per your point of saying the surname, well again since you are from Pakistan side therefore you might not be able to come and research in India, many of the surnames are same. As for those who changed there surname, then let us say they are of those personalities who wished to intermingle or wanted to be cool just like many of your friends do in UK or north America. eg: sibi became sivi then shivi then sheokhanda or sheoran then shokeen. Then you can write rathi as rathee and chahal is muslim, sikh and hindu.

The customs difference also comes from religious differences or regionalism. Do you know the Kurds have the same situation where their population is divided in 3 countries.

Your comment about Rajputs and Jatt well, Rajput that too hindu Rajput call himself PURE blood rajput and no one other than that they accept are pure, so if you talk to a hindu rajput that might not hold true. But yes if you go beyond 8 century you will find no trace of rajput existence, so I would say that they were Jat who said yes to bhraminical influences and started to live life according to their rules.

You talk of Heer and Ranjha ,but you donot know how many jats of India talk fondly about them and are proud to call them of their own.It is their tale that they tell to their children about love.

Brother just because a person wears American clothes and eats burgers and talks in english doesn't mean that he ceases to be a south asian. I donot know either of the regional languages of jats, I know english, french and hindi only but can't write hindi. So by that definition will I be called a separate Jat ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sheokhandaa (talk • contribs) 13:03, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

well so according to you we dont have a right to write about our history but rather only you do? now Jatt is pronounced with a hard double T at end while your tribe is called Jaat which in sanskrit/hindi means caste. Jatt does not mean caste in punjabi it is a tribe of people who speak Punjabi. another point is that there is not a singular proof that Jatts were ever followers of the vedas but rather they had their own belief system of ancestor worship while all the Jaats are followers of vedas and you will hardly any Jatts who follow the vedas they are either sikh or follower of sufi babas. i wish to write about the Jatt tribe not the Jaat tribe. now please stop hijacking my article without my permission!

There you go with that religion.I knew you had religion in mind. The caste thing that you say. I can't help but laugh. But you still didn't give me the answer to my question ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sheokhandaa (talk • contribs) 14:30, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

what you want is here in Jat muslim article, go ahead at do whatever you want to it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sheokhandaa (talk • contribs) 14:58, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

i,m kindly requesting you to stop editing my article you are free to write whatever mythology and stories on the Jaat people as you do. we wish to base history on facts and proof on Jatt tribe of Punjab --Qaleechpuri (talk) 10:02, 30 October 2010 (UTC)