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associationlist and related roles have tediously long names #1662

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cookiecrook opened this issue Dec 16, 2021 · 8 comments
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associationlist and related roles have tediously long names #1662

cookiecrook opened this issue Dec 16, 2021 · 8 comments
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cookiecrook commented Dec 16, 2021 •
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associationlist and related roles have tediously long names. These look like ObjC naming conventions: associationlist:item:value: ;-)

associationlist: A section containing associationlistitemkey and associationlistitemvalue elements.
associationlistitemkey: A single key item in an association list.
associationlistitemvalue: A single value item in an association list.

I don't have a particular preference other than "not what's there" but in the interest of forwarding the discussion, I'd suggest the following:

  1. Remove associationlist entirely. I don't think there needs to be any distinction between list and associationlist in the Accessibility APIs.
  2. listitemkey and listitemvalue may be sufficient. It's possible listitemvalue could be an alias of listitem… I'm not certain, but the existence of a key may be all that's needed to distinguish between standard lists (~html:ol/html:ul) and these (~html:dl)
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pkra commented Dec 16, 2021

Related: #961

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+1 to the first option

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brennanyoung commented Feb 1, 2022 •
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It would simplify matters to permit the key/value roles inside list, whatever they may be called. (I agree the currently suggested names are too long).

What happens if people use key & value elements and plain listitem elements in the same list? Is that a problem?

If this is about parity with HTML, it should not be allowed, but I can imagine cases where it would be useful to do so. (e.g. if there is a placeholder listitem for an as-yet-unknown key-value pair).

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pkra commented Apr 28, 2022 •
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I'm in favor of the OP.

I have a slight preference for keeping listitemvalue (or whatever name we come up with) separate from listitem because of the different (possible) structure of 1 DT followed by multiple DDs.

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@jnurthen going to add myself here as a second assignee. we can discuss / i can do the associated HTML AAM stuffs.

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Lets discuss 3 options:

  • remove assocaitionlists from 1.3 - what problem do they solve?
  • keep as-is
  • change the names and make them shorter

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cookiecrook commented Oct 16, 2023 •
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+1 for removing association lists [entirely]

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As discussed in https://www.w3.org/2023/10/26-aria-minutes.html#t07 will remove for now but may re-add a subset later on

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