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[css-display-3] text run ? #7768

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letochagone opened this issue Sep 20, 2022 · 16 comments
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[css-display-3] text run ? #7768

letochagone opened this issue Sep 20, 2022 · 16 comments

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@letochagone
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in the second paragraph , https://www.w3.org/TR/css-display-3/#intro
what does the term "text run" mean? :

Each box in the box tree represents its corresponding element (or pseudo-element)
in space and/or time on the canvas, while each TEXT RUN in the box tree likewise represents
the contents of its corresponding text nodes.

after a lot of time trying to translate this term into my language, I think it may be a mistake and that this word "run" was added by mistake.

@myakura
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myakura commented Sep 20, 2022

I don't think that's added by mistake. While it's a different spec, HTML also uses "run" as a noun meaning like a sequence.
(And that confuses people, too. whatwg/html#6782)

@Loirooriol
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Yeah, a text run is the thing in the box tree that represents a sequence of adjacent DOM text nodes in the element tree. Basically:

  • The DOM tree contains element nodes, text nodes, comment nodes, doctype nodes, etc.
  • The element tree contains elements, pseudo-elements, and text nodes.
  • The box tree contains boxes (representing elements or pseudo-elements) and text runs (representing sequences of text nodes).

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fantasai commented Dec 7, 2022

Re-opening in response to @myakura's comment, because maybe we should rename “text run” to “text sequence”!

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dbaron commented Dec 7, 2022

"text run" is a term used elsewhere for similar purposes, e.g. https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/api/system.windows.media.textformatting.textrun?view=windowsdesktop-7.0 That said, I'm not sure if the use in the display spec matches the meaning in Gecko (where it has been used for a long time).

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fantasai commented Dec 7, 2022

@dbaron They're similar but not quite the same. IIRC text runs in Gecko can cross element boundaries, as long as there's no styling change that would create an interruption. Either way, though, I think it's worth using terminology that's less likely to confuse people.

@astearns
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I think “text run” is a term of art that does not quite match what is being described in the spec, and I don’t see a benefit in using that term that offsets the confusion being generated. So I support changing to “text sequence.”

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Since this change is fairly low-impact we likely do not need to spend meeting time on it.

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Proposed Resolution: Change the term “text run” to “text sequence” in css-display-3

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RESOLVED: Change the term “text run” to “text sequence” in css-display-3

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myakura commented Dec 21, 2022

There are other specs that use "text run" as well. I see Text and Writing Modes use it. Does the resolution cover other specs?
https://drafts.csswg.org/css-text-4/#valdef-word-boundary-detection-normal
https://drafts.csswg.org/css-writing-modes-4/#text-combine-runs

@astearns
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We would definitely need to change css-text since it links to the css-display definition. I think we should also change css-writing-modes for consistency.

@fantasai
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Yes, we would apply the change across all the CSS specs that reference the same concept.

@fantasai
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@letochagone Ok, I've updated the editor's draft in e0f9cb9 to use the word “text sequence”; hopefully this will be less confusing. :) Let me know what you think.

@myakura I also updated all of the other specs that seemed to be referencing the same concept. There remain some uses of “text run” in Writing Modes, Text, and Fonts which don't seem to be quite tied to the same box tree concept, so I left those alone. Feel free to file a follow-up issue if you think something is off. CC @svgeesus

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Loirooriol commented Mar 14, 2023

@fantasai Why do flex and grid use different wordings now?

and each contiguous sequence of child text sequences

and each child text sequence

I think the latter is better, "sequence of sequences" seems unnecessarily verbose.

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@Loirooriol Fixed, thanks.

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SelenIT commented Mar 18, 2023

I think the latter is better, "sequence of sequences" seems unnecessarily verbose.

But doesn't it affect the meaning? Will "each child text sequence" not imply that each text sequence created by a display:contents child becomes a separate flex/grid item? I believe that "sequence of sequences" wording was specifically introduced to clarify that they will become a single flex/grid item (possibly with differently styled parts of text), though I agree that there should be better wording to express this intent.

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Good point, I didn't consider display: contents.

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